Alex Jones got banned from FB!

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Toast Rider, Aug 6, 2018.

  1. Ralph Llama

    Ralph Llama ERROR 23 : DEFAULT MODE NETWORK COMPROMISED Banned

    Ahh the megaphone.. yes. He is censored from mainstream corporate media though... and it appears his case presents the justification for corporate censorship that is being imposed on left wing political activists :/

    Activists push back on Facebook’s decision to remove a DC protest event
     
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  3. Humirax

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    Sorry, don't know why that was posted again, my mistake.
     
  4. Humirax

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    [Last week, we saw another flurry of censorship news. Facebook apparently suspended VenezuelaAnalysis.com, a site critical of U.S. policy toward Venezuela. (It was reinstated Thursday.)

    More significantly: Google’s former head of free expression issues in Asia, Lokman Tsui, blasted the tech giant’s plan to develop a search engine that would help the Chinese government censor content.

    First reported by The Intercept, the plan was called “a stupid, stupid move” by Tsui, who added: “I can’t see a way to operate Google search in China without violating widely held international human rights standards.” This came on the heels of news that the Israeli Knesset passed a second reading of a “Facebook bill,” authorizing courts to delete content on security grounds.]
     
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  5. Humirax

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    [Both the Jones situation and the Facebook-Atlantic Council deletions seem an effort to fulfill a request made last year by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Last October, Facebook, Google and Twitter were asked by Hawaii Senator Mazie Hizono to draw up a “mission statement” to “prevent the foment of discord.”

    After Trump’s shocking win in 2016, everyone turned to Facebook and Google to fix “fake news.” But nobody had a coherent definition of what constitutes it.

    Many on the left lamented the Wikileaks releases of Democratic Party emails, but those documents were real news, and the complaint there was more about the motives of sources, and editorial emphasis, rather than accuracy.

    When Google announced it was tightening its algorithm to push “more authoritative content” last April, it defined “fake news” as “…blatantly misleading, low quality, offensive or downright false information.”

    Soviet-era author Isaac Babel once said the only right Stalin had taken away was “writing badly.” He was joking. Google was apparently serious about targeting “low quality.” What exactly does that mean?

    It isn’t clear, but within short order, a whole range of alternative sites (from Alternet to Truthdig to the World Socialist Website) started complaining about significant drops in traffic, apparently thanks to changed search processes.

    Within a year, Google bragged that it had deleted 8 million videos from YouTube. A full 6.7 million videos were caught by machines, 1.1 million by YouTube’s own “trusted flaggers” (we’re pre-writing the lexicon of the next dystopian novels), and 400,000 by “normal users.”

    Subsequently, we heard that Facebook was partnering with the Atlantic Council — which, incidentally, accepts donations from at least 25 different foreign countries, including United Arab Emirates and the king of Bahrain, in addition to firms like weapons manufacturer Raytheon and my old pals at HSBC — to identify “potential abuse.”]
     
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  6. emanymton

    emanymton A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.

    I'm censored from the mainstream media and have been my entire life. Where is the fuss about me?
     
  7. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    The power of Facebook to spread truly damaging fake news is really quite depressing. People have been killed or had their lives destroyed by that out of control machine.
     
  8. Ralph Llama

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    Who are you ? ;)
     
  9. Humirax

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    [This is the nuance people are missing. It’s not that people like Jones shouldn’t be punished; it’s the means of punishment that has changed radically.

    For more than half a century, we had an effective, if slow, litigation-based remedy for speech violations. The standards laid out in cases like New York Times v. Sullivan were designed to protect legitimate reporting while directly remunerating people harmed by bad speech. Sooner or later, people like Alex Jones would always crash under crippling settlements. Meanwhile, young reporters learned to steer clear of libel and defamation. Knowing exactly what we could and could not get away with empowered us to do our jobs, confident that the law had our backs.

    If the line of defense had not been a judge and jury but a giant transnational corporation working with the state, journalists taking on banks or tech companies or the wrong politicians would have been playing intellectual Russian roulette. In my own career, I’d have thought twice before taking on a company like Goldman Sachs. Any reporter would.

    Now the line is gone. Depending on the platform, one can be banned for “glorifying violence,” “sowing division,” “hateful conduct” or even “low quality,” with those terms defined by nameless, unaccountable executives, working with God Knows Whom.]
     
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  10. Humirax

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    [The platforms will win popular support for removals by deleting jackasses like Jones. Meanwhile, the more dangerous censorship will go on in the margins with fringe opposition sites — and in the minds of reporters and editors, who will unconsciously start retreating from wherever their idea of the line is.

    The most ominous development involves countries asking for direct cleansing of opposition movements, a la China’s search engine, or Tel Aviv’s demands that Facebook and Google delete pages belonging to Palestinian activists. (This happened: Israel’s justice minister said last year that Facebook granted 95 percent of such requests.)

    Google and Facebook have long wrestled with the question of how to operate in politically repressive markets — Google launched a censored Chinese search engine in 2006, before changing its mind in 2010 — but it seems we’re seeing a kind of mass surrender on that front.

    The apparent efforts to comply with government requests to help “prevent the foment of discord” suggest the platforms are moving toward a similar surrender even in the United States. The duopolistic firms seem anxious to stay out of headlines, protect share prices and placate people like Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy, who just said deleting Jones was only a “good first step.”

    Americans are not freaking out about this because most of us have lost the ability to distinguish between general principles and political outcomes. So long as the “right” people are being zapped, no one cares.

    But we should care. Censorship is one of modern man’s great temptations. Giving in to it hasn’t provided many happy stories.]
     
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  11. Ralph Llama

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    Is this not just some adjustment phase society is going through?
     
  12. Humirax

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    I assume you are anti-capitalist, or atleast anti- neo liberal. Why then would you agree to giant corporate monopolies silencing you and those who think like you? It just doesn't make any sense.
     
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  13. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    I just don't understand a lot of this, they're private businesses. A private business will always have one aim and that is to turn as much profit as is possible. If a landlord wants to ban someone from his pub then that's his business (literally).
     
  14. Ralph Llama

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    What if the landlord stops black, Jewish, or Irish people drinking in their pub ?
     
  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    He'd be breaking anti discrimination laws and would rightly get locked up. Next stupid question.
     
  16. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    tbh I'm a bit uneasy with the laws we have around this sort of thing in the UK. As satisfying as it is when you here about some bigots being convicted because they wouldn't serve a gay couple I think I'd rather the law doesn't get involved in this sort of thing. I'd rather appropriate boycotts etc would do the job.
     
  17. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    I think its a valid question in response to what I wrote.
     
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  18. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    That's a recipe for minorities getting screwed over.
     
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  19. Ralph Llama

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    Oh gosh no ! Really ? As things stand IMO private power need`s to be kept in check by regulation.... think environment and slavery .
     
  20. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

    I don't think I said I agreed to that.
     
  21. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

    Let's say you're one of the Sandy Hook parents, and you've been forced to move home 7 times due to death threats and harassment which are a direct consquence of Alex Jones's speech. What's your solution?
     
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  22. Ralph Llama

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    Your last 2 posts contradict each-other. I don't think the penny has dropped. Read the thread. :)

    It is disturbing how quick people are to advocate corporate censorship ! Shit... if it works on the clever people here... they have it nailed!
     
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  23. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

    If I have said something contradictory then by all means point it out. I'm not interested in playing games.

    I specifically said that I'm uncomfortable with what happened, but that certain speech must be subject to rules. You cant just go around accusing people of child abuse, or causing murder victims' families to be harassed ffs.

    I also stated that I don't want corporate control of social media. So i'm at a loss to understand the hypocrisy
     
  24. Humirax

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    I guess the only step to take would be to take legal action which I believe is what they are doing.
     
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  25. Ralph Llama

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    Sorry if I have offended you somehow. It is just that the point has already been repeated Edit:11 times within this thread up to the point you posted that :)

    You say you don`t want corporate control of social media ? I am saying that Alex Jones is being used to justify the control of corporate media .

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  26. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    And you know how the US legal system is stacked in favour of the rich and the powerful? And how legal action can bankrupt poor people?

    They shouldn't have to put up with any of this harassment and abuse.
     
  27. Ralph Llama

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    The Atlantic Council are not the people we want to regulate corporate media ! They started with the excuse of Russian disinformation and are now using Alex Jones and the like to justify censoring left wing groups.

     
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