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Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Prince Rhyus, Dec 25, 2010.

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  1. S☼I

    S☼I Cats Bumino

    Presumably wouldn't let her on his groovy train.
  2. killer b

    killer b Ennui Rollins

    i doubt gosling will deny it if it didn't happen. it would gain him nothing, and it's hardly the kind of allegation you'd ask your lawyers to send a strongly worded letter about.
  3. lazyhack

    lazyhack Well-Known Member

    Footage has emerged of the incident, to stop all you doubters
  4. copliker

    copliker ...

    I think I might tart up and pad out post #854 then send it into them places what print that sort of thing. 1p per word more than whatever Laurie's on please.
  5. treelover

    treelover Well-Known Member

    Bizarro, the amount of insults, personal feuds, viscious smears on here, i make a light hearted barb about Pete's singing ability, thats all, he and the Farm have done some great things for good causes, and I get the above...
  6. You slag of Hooto you get the booto you get me blud?
  7. Bakunin

    Bakunin I am Noodle's bitch.

    Chances are she was looking to bump up her internet exposure, saw that Ryan Gosling is a very popular name on search engines at the moment and opted to take him saying 'Oh, there's a car coming towards you' and blow it up from something totally insignificant into something much bigger than it actually was. Standard practice from self-promoting hacks who need to up their exposure when they're living somewhere in which barely anybody knows who they are.

    Of course, she could just be mistaken as to who the chap was, or maybe she's simply making the whole thing up for some extra publicity and column inches. If she has some tat to sell, like a book or some unsold articles or something like that then I wouldn't be surprised. That said, if she is bullshitting then it won't be long before she gets more exposure than she would have either expected or wanted, and none of it is likely to be doing her nascent attempts to crack the American market any favours.

    Give it a few days and either the whole affair is likely to be forgotten or it'll have evolved into a shitstorm that will prove particularly damaging to her career and entirely ruinous to what little credibility she's ever had.
  8. MAD-T-REX

    MAD-T-REX Well-Known Member

    Penny's Gawker article is a great example of the problem with social media: it encourages people to think that every thought that enters their head is not only worth sharing with the world but that people actually want to hear it.

    'As I was crossing the street, while I was thinking about a pressing social issue...' If someone dropped that into a face-to-face conversation, you'd think they were a pillock. Penny actually wrote it, read it over and published it.
  9. DaveCinzano


    That's not "the problem with social media". That's one of the problems with Penny Dreadful.
  10. Bakunin

    Bakunin I am Noodle's bitch.

    One of her many problems, IMHO.

    1. She doesn't seem to possess much in the way of self-awareness. As noted above, she has a remarkable tendency to think that the entire world is hanging on her every thought, word and deed and endlessly Twitters away and writes tiresome, pretentious, tedious hackwork. Not only does she think everybody hangs on her every thought, word and deed, though, as she comes across with an air of 'If you aren't doing that then frankly you should be.'

    2. 'Me, me, me, me, me. Everything I look at, think about or write about is ALWAYS somehow about me.' Even for a wannabe celeb/columnist/writer/hack/insert nakedly ambitious job title here type like Penny Dreadful, her attitude that EVERYTHING that she writes or tweets about invariably involves her, what she thinks, what she wants and so on is, to put it mildly, grating in the extreme.

    3. She's not much of a writer even on her better days, which seem few and far between if I'm entirely honest. I've read work on a variety of subjects that didn't get even a minute fraction of the exposure that hers does, and it's work that has been better-written, not self-promoting or self-aggrandising, contains a minimum of hyperbole, rabble-rousing and deliberately contentious remarks purposely included to create false controversy and get her a little more exposure.

    4. She's a hypocrite in that she'll happily write in a deliberately contrary, provocative manner to gain attention and then complain endlessly that people react strongly and in ways she doesn't like. Well, if you pick a fight then don't whine when you get one. If she doesn't want to get shot at then why does she insist on sticking her head out of the trench as though she's engaging in some game of journalistic Whack-A-Mole, and then whimper because she's provoked the very attention she's so obviously looking for.

    5. She does have a tendency to instantly write off criticism of her or her writing as almost invariably being motivated by sexism/mysogyny/jealousy/insert random accusation of bigotry and intolerance here. I'm as happy as anybody to condemn the naked abuse that she gets (vile and offensive that it undoubtedly is), but it seems as though any sort of criticism is unwelcome enough that she'll instantly start making accusations when she deigns to answer her critics at all.

    6. Dishonesty. I wouldn't put her in the same league as Johann Hari for outright bullshit (I hear his next full-time job is as supervisor at the Ministry of Truth, after all), but she's certainly not averse to gilding the lily a fair bit when it suits her and she has been caught out from time to time indulging in the odd flight of fancy passed off as journalistic reportage (the burlesque business and the porn awards fiasco spring to mind). I don't like habitual liars at the best of times, and I have no tolerance at all for habitual liars who try and pass themselves off as actual journalists.

    Basically, I don't regard her with any favour at all and the more I've seen of her and her work the less favour I have.
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  11. copliker

    copliker ...

    Attention normals, that's how anarchists (nulab/libdem/nulabagain tendency) roll.
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  12. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

    at least spell it right
  13. copliker

    copliker ...

    Crap article in the indy on the unaswimmer. Fuckinglol at this bit.
    Best comment.
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  14. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

  15. imposs1904

    imposs1904 Thread Killa'

    Wasn't the police heavy handed back in '77, arresting McLaren and others? I think the author of the piece in the Indy is donning their rose tinted spectacles about past 'protests'.
  16. Bakunin

    Bakunin I am Noodle's bitch.

    Is it me, or is she increasingly becoming a parody of herself? I can't help thinking her career trajectory is almost like the journalistic equivalent of Spinal Tap (without anything resembling a sense of humour, obviously, she's far too 'right on' for that). She's fast becoming the sort of media type that the good folk at Viz would have made up.

    She seems to be evolving into a thoroughly ghastly character, a supposedly permanently 'right on' and impassioned 'voice of the young and dispossessed' type while also possessing the steely will to conquer of your typical narcissist. sort of a genetic mutation combining the worst elements of Roger Mellie and Millie Tant.

    Only not anywhere near as funny as either of them.
  17. copliker

    copliker ...

    More a case of Laurie knowing nothing about the period and being too unarsed to do any research.
    Nicked it off brian whelan.
  18. Bakunin

    Bakunin I am Noodle's bitch.

    Fair's fair, my esteemed fellow poster. If she did any actual, proper research then she might actually be confronted with objective facts, possibly even real ones that don't suit her 'arguments' about any issue under the sun as long as she gets a bit more exposure out of it.

    Besides, remember that she's the sole and only 'voice of the movement' and, being such a leading light in 'the movement' she's certainly aware that objective facts are bourgeois and merely serve to stand in the way of The Resistible Rise Of Penny Dreadful.

    That and she'd suddenly have to morph into a half-decent writer (becoming a decent one is, for her, impossible judging by her apparent writing ability, IMHO) and that's not much more realistic than some of absolutely real stuff that happens to her as she goes about her daily life and then feels perpetually obliged to inflict, sorry I'll read that again, share with the rest of the planet on a tiresomely regular basis.
  19. poului

    poului a bit overrated

    I really, really hope she's somehow seen this thread.
  20. Bakunin

    Bakunin I am Noodle's bitch.

    Well, I wouldn't even begin to think about speculating on her likely reaction if anyone were to stick a link on her Twitter page.

    That would be most improper.
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  21. poului

    poului a bit overrated

    No, she has to chance upon it. Then it seems far less like any sort of personal vendetta she could spin in her head.
  22. Bakunin

    Bakunin I am Noodle's bitch.


    'INFAMY! INFAMY! They've all got it in for me!'
  23. copliker

    copliker ...

    Someone should release some starving badgers into the crowd at her next book launch.
  24. Bakunin

    Bakunin I am Noodle's bitch.

    The Passion Of Penny Dreadful:

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  25. Or is 44 pages into the thread too late to ask that?
  26. Dunno with a bit of practice and a good editor I think she could be a decent fiction writer.
  27. Captain Hurrah

    Captain Hurrah STALINIST Banned

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  28. Idris2002

    Idris2002 this prim barbarism

    A normal, yesterday:

  29. copliker

    copliker ...

    It's 'old' but still funny.
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