Al-Respeq & sleazy strip bars: Islamo-Trottery finds a cause

[Groucho]

yes, so do a lot of people - but supporting a state ban on it? Christ, you've lost the plot.

mk12 - You need to learn to read posts and understand them before attacking people for saying things they haven't.

Of course if you want no legislation and no council interference at all aimed at curbing the expansion of strip joints and protecting the women exploited in the sex industry etc that would be compatible with right-wing free market libertarianism. You need to sort your ideas out and to decide what you are for and what you are against.

 

[cockneyrebel]

Groucho it is a fair point in terms of the resolution. However I would say that 1) the motion is so vague it's hard to know what it means and 2) the language of "maximum effect" of legislation needs to explained. Also given what the campaign is about I would have thought it would be a good time for RESPECT to give their position on legalisation.

But I'm going on the recent past of the SWP (i.e. campaigning to shut down a Spearmint Rhinos in Sheffield).

I just don't get the logic and have said why above, especially as there are so many worse example of the sex industry. No-one disputes the nature of the sex industry as it is as a whole.

In terms of bars bringing vomit and shootings, to be honest I'm sure the same could be said of Yates bars

I do think it's ridiculous that RESPECT are launching this campaign yet have no policy on it though. How hard can it be for the national committee to state what their views on it are and if necessary then members can debate/amend it at the next national conference.

 

[dash]

Meanwhile in Sweden, prostitution is illegal, only there it is the johns who get punished rather than the prostitutes themselves, the latter being seen as victims.

Some claim this has been very successful, eg

http://www.justicewomen.com/cj_sweden.html

No opinion on this, just curious to learn this was the situation in Sweden.

 

[JHE]

Is it like impossible to have national policy on an issue which deviates from the rule in localised circumstances?

'Localised circumstances'! Excellent. You are a master of euphemism, Dog!

So...

A. You are in favour of brothels and the perv trade, BUT NOT within x miles of a mosque. (x to be specified by the imam, or your chums in the MAB or the CC...)

or

B. You are in favour of brothels etc, UNLESS a Mohammedan objects, in which case you are against them

or

C. You just make it all up as you go along, looking for whatever 'militancy' you can whip up in support as you go. Consistency is very undialectical, comrades


Which is it?

I guess mainly C, but with touches of A & B.

 

[Das Uberdog]

To reduce your argument to nothing in one simple rebuff (not that it was not nothing before);

I am not in favour of brothels (etc) wherever they are, I simply think that their illegality is detrimental. Therefore I propose that they be legalised nationally, but that local constituencies and councils should have the power and right to alter this policy locally if there is a groundswell of resentment against such clubs.

There was a strip joint going to open on the main road in Chorley a few years back - I opposed it, despite my national stance, and it was gotten rid of.

Your ecclesiastical rantings are beginning to look not only enraged and manic, but also desperate and slightly insane, JHE.

 

[JHE]

I am not in favour of brothels (etc) wherever they are, I simply think that their illegality is detrimental. Therefore I propose that they be legalised nationally, but that local constituencies and councils should have the power and right to alter this policy locally if there is a groundswell of resentment against such clubs.

There was a strip joint going to open on the main road in Chorley a few years back - I opposed it, despite my national stance, and it was gotten rid of.

You're obviously a dog of great influence!

No, OK, you're just a NIMBY (Not in my back yard and/or not in Muslims' back yards?). No surprise there.

Where should the prostitution and sleaze bars be put? Where should Tower Hamladesh's strippers, prozzies and pole-dancers work?

Topping and tailing your posts with tosh and insults does not make your position any more consistent or convincing. Why not have the honesty to admit that your politics are as I described in my last post? You may as well. You've done nothing to give any other impression, Doggie.

 

[Das Uberdog]

If Tower Hamlets residents don't want sleazy bars set up in their neighbourhoods, then really, their wishes should be paramount. I dunno - we could have a Sleaze quarter in the centre of our cities? Whatever, I'm sure with legalisation their spread would be quite natural and organic - but as with anything else local councils should have a say in whether or not they get built... so long as the local councils are responding to the will of the residents.

In real terms, I don't plan to have supermarkets illegalised under Respect policy, but I'd still oppose the construction of supermarkets in my local area. Well, where would you have supermarkets? It's an irrelevant argument douchebag.

 

[JHE]

Doggie, it's no good posing as politicos who accede "to the will of the residents", like good democrats who have a different view but insist on letting the people's will prevail. You and your Islamo-Trot comrades are doing your best to whip up feeling against perv businesses, because you think there's a bit of mileage in it. Your chum/boss, GGG MP, is threatening to send the al-Respeq troops out to photograph perv punters and then publish the pix. Your comrades have already leafleted mosques with the names and pictures of Labour councillors. The leaflet is tastefully decorated with a silhouette of a 'sexy' dancer, rather like an advert for the businesses you campaign against.

"Whatever, I'm sure with legalisation their spread would be quite natural and organic..."​

What blather! You've no answer. You'll just carry on choosing your line with characteristic opportunism - usually Islamophile opportunism.

 

[JHE]

Committee for the promotion of virtue and the suppression of vice

I've got a solution. I don't know why I didn't think of it before. You set up a committee of worthy Mohammedans to decide where the perv businesses should be - and Tommy Sheridan is employed by the committee as an expert 'consultant' on a fat fee.

 

[Jonti]

Silly moo!

Silly old moo to you (y'daft bigot )

 

[Das Uberdog]

Doggie, it's no good posing as politicos who accede "to the will of the residents", like good democrats who have a different view but insist on letting the people's will prevail. You and your Islamo-Trot comrades are doing your best to whip up feeling against perv businesses, because you think there's a bit of mileage in it. Your chum/boss, GGG MP, is threatening to send the al-Respeq troops out to photograph perv punters and then publish the pix. Your comrades have already leafleted mosques with the names and pictures of Labour councillors. The leaflet is tastefully decorated with a silhouette of a 'sexy' dancer, rather like an advert for the businesses you campaign against.

"Whatever, I'm sure with legalisation their spread would be quite natural and organic..."​

What blather! You've no answer. You'll just carry on choosing your line with characteristic opportunism - usually Islamophile opportunism.

And you'll carry on wallowing in your self-perpetuating downwards spiral of nothingness, hopelessly trapped in a uselessness warp from which any productive or meaningful gains towards a socialist alternative are concealed behind a wall of self-destructive and, on many occasions, mindless cynicism.

You'd cut your own nose off to spite your face... there's no saving you. Yeah, so what if a parliamentary alternative chooses to use parliamentary tactics? If the will of the residents is saciated, and Respect win extra seats, then who loses? Oh yeah, Labour

 

[JHE]

And you'll carry on wallowing in your self-perpetuating downwards spiral of nothingness, hopelessly trapped in a uselessness warp from which any productive or meaningful gains towards a socialist alternative are concealed behind a wall of self-destructive and, on many occasions, mindless cynicism.

Rabid stuff! Tha's ma Doggie!

You'd cut your own nose off to spite your face... there's no saving you. Yeah, so what if a parliamentary alternative chooses to use parliamentary tactics? If the will of the residents is saciated, and Respect win extra seats, then who loses? Oh yeah, Labour

Parliamentary alternative - my arse! His name's GGG.

"saciated"? Satiated? I'm not sure a 'will' can be satiated. An appetite can be - or rather some appetites can be. The 'slamist appetites you play on aren't - they grow with the feeding.

 

[Das Uberdog]

I think your last post was fantastic evidence to back up my theory; that swearing and cussing is in fact no more a childish manner of debating than sarcasm and slander.

I've given you a straight answer but you can't hack it. You just keep on repeating what I'm saying in ludicrous terminology, and adding your own unbased suppositions in for emphasis. You're actually arguing nothing.

 

[BarryB]

If Tower Hamlets residents don't want sleazy bars set up in their neighbourhoods, then really, their wishes should be paramount. I dunno - we could have a Sleaze quarter in the centre of our cities? Whatever, I'm sure with legalisation their spread would be quite natural and organic - but as with anything else local councils should have a say in whether or not they get built... so long as the local councils are responding to the will of the residents.

In real terms, I don't plan to have supermarkets illegalised under Respect policy, but I'd still oppose the construction of supermarkets in my local area. Well, where would you have supermarkets? It's an irrelevant argument douchebag.

I would be interested to know whether since the May council elections there have been any new applications in Tower Hamlets for licenses for such premises or applications for variations to existing licences and if so what Respect Councillors and members have done to convince the Licensing sub committee to turn down such applications.

BarryB

 

[nwnm]

Where should the prostitution and sleaze bars be put? Where should strippers, prozzies and pole-dancers work?

how about right next door to you JHE?

Here's how you started this thread, "I loathe strip clubs and the like. I wouldn't usually object to local politicos making a fuss, but al-Respeq and the GG disgust me, too. Al-Respeq's playing to their mosque-using social base puts me off more than a little."

The only person posting on this discussion that could deserve, by any stretch of the imagination, the description 'rabid' is your good self. I would also add the term 'hypocrite' to that. You are a rabid hypocrite. In fact this entire thread has little to do with strip clubs, prostitution or anything really, other than JHE's obsession with Islam.

 

[Nigel]

Cannibalize Legalists

Whatever happened to the Seven Stars in Brick Lane!!?
Did'nt that used to have a strippers night?

 

[BarryB]

Whatever happened to the Seven Stars in Brick Lane!!?
Did'nt that used to have a strippers night?

IIRC closed down several years ago. Drugs, prostitution and all that.

BarryB

 

[Fisher_Gate]

I would be interested to know whether since the May council elections there have been any new applications in Tower Hamlets for licenses for such premises or applications for variations to existing licences and if so what Respect Councillors and members have done to convince the Licensing sub committee to turn down such applications.

BarryB

The minutes are on the internet and the answers to your questions appear to be "no" and "not applicable" respectively.

The Labour Group have now issued a rejoinder claiming that they would have unanimously backed the motion, but that there were other issues of "critical importance" to discuss. They will now put their own motion to a future council meeting. Sounds to me like they opposed it because of who proposed it rather than the content, and that this is a post-hoc justification for their sectarian behaviour. If it was non-contentious, and they unanimously supported it, they could have passed it quickly and moved on.

http://www.towerhamlets.labour.co.uk/ViewPage.cfm?Page=20611

 

[BarryB]

The minutes are on the internet and the answers to your questions appear to be "no" and "not applicable" respectively.

The Labour Group have now issued a rejoinder claiming that they would have unanimously backed the motion, but that there were other issues of "critical importance" to discuss. They will now put their own motion to a future council meeting. Sounds to me like they opposed it because of who proposed it rather than the content, and that this is a post-hoc justification for their sectarian behaviour. If it was non-contentious, and they unanimously supported it, they could have passed it quickly and moved on.

http://www.towerhamlets.labour.co.uk/ViewPage.cfm?Page=20611

If since the May elections there have been no new applications for licenses or for variation of existing licenses then I wonder if there is any real problem in Tower Hamlets.

As for the resolution perhaps if the Respect/SWP coucillors hadnt acted in such a provacative manner the Labour councilors would have voted for it.

BarryB

 

[Fisher_Gate]

If since the May elections there have been no new applications for licenses or for variation of existing licenses then I wonder if there is any real problem in Tower Hamlets.

As for the resolution perhaps if the Respect/SWP coucillors hadnt acted in such a provacative manner the Labour councilors would have voted for it.

BarryB

Becoming a Labour councillor has obviously begun to rot your capacity for reflective thought, Barry. As if the Tower Hamlets Labour Group need provocation from Respect to act in a stupid way ...

BTW have you noticed how Respect is now Respect/SWP in all THLP publications?....

 

[BarryB]

Becoming a Labour councillor has obviously begun to rot your capacity for reflective thought, Barry. As if the Tower Hamlets Labour Group need provocation from Respect to act in a stupid way ...

BTW have you noticed how Respect is now Respect/SWP in all THLP publications?....

Myself and im sure others have been using the Respect/SWP formulation for some time so its hardly surprising that Tower Hamlets CLP use the same formulation.

Fisher Gate perhaps you can say whether or not you approve of the leaflet that Respect/SWP have been issuing outside Mosques that names and shames the Labour councillors (and includes their photos). And what do you think of the idea of Respect members photographing customers of Sex Encounter establishments?

BarryB

 

[sinless69uk]

I'm obviously in a minority on this thread as I really enjoy strip clubs.

Thought I'd point out that if these clubs were banned I'd look for women who lap danced in their own homes.

 

[Dej]

This coming Wednesday, Tower Hamlets Development Committee is meeting to discuss the application for a strip bar at the Nags Head where there will be a petition from Respect supporters and members. There are 4 Respect Councillors on this committee and the application can be found at this address:
http://modgov.towerhamlets.gov.uk/Published/C00000312/M00001647/AI00008296/$1719WhitechapelRoadUpdateReport.docA.ps.pdf

Dej