yes I have a very early copy of the Koran translated into english by pro g margoliouth oxford 1907 in excellent condition with loads of islamic history from much early times added on ?with christain and some jewish history {rare book } not got at by the mullahs or mufti from saudi lies and more lies.
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I see. Oxford academics from 100 years ago are so much less likely to be full of shit than Muslim ones
yes history is re writed by the strong !!! this professor had no axe to grind no muslim boss to put his name in the book it is history fact ,not fiction like the modern Koran many parts ,have been added over the last 100 years or so , most of it is not true is a re write or fiction.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Do you really think anyone is buying this faux-stupid/weird act with deliberate mispellings and mistakes that you're putting on 'jim'?
well you've won me over
sura lxxl from the koran the made plain the koran a book whose verses are made plain, for the men of knowledge,Announcer of glad tidings and charged with warnings but most of them withdraw and harken not, our hearts are under shelter from thy teachings and in our ears a deafness and between us a veil? act as thou thinkest right
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Isn't the bible supposed to contain lots of similarly dodgy stuff, if you take it literally?
As Islamic scholar I'm knocked off my feet by the new resident Islamic scholar of U75. I think I'll let him go on lecturing for a while. If anything, it is going to be amusingly interesting to follow.
jimadore sir or madam, please take seat on my previous throne.
salaam.
jimadore sir or madam, please take seat on my previous throne.
salaam.
Hi Aldebaran,With respect I dont wish Take your place as resident scholar of Islamic studys,My previous posting state all The books contain some truth The bible The koran The torah and many others. I am but a seeker of wisdom. but only the wisdom from god not man. salaam ali cum. peace my friend.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Hi Aldebaran, Can you answer this question? The middle east countries were the birthplace of mathmatics, astronomy ,astrology, many forms of music, irragation, farming,glass, medicine and surgery . building e.t.c. When we over here ,were still painting our arses' blue. But after The koran the countries when back to primitive times' why ?
No they didnt. The Islamic World was far more advanced than Christendom for much of history, and the modern Middle East is hardly 'primitive'.
Short version: while under military attack from Christian forces, leaders secular and religious retreated into a demand for certainty and fixity.
The very wonderful name for this sad phenomenon is the "closing of the door of ijtihad".
The word ijtihad, "inquiry", is related to jihad, "struggle".
But, as noted, few places went "backward", except in the aftermath of said military attacks. Rather, science was discouraged - and 500 years later it started up elsewhere. Islamic civilization was maintained, but with slower technological change and, eventually, the rest of the world changing around it.
The very wonderful name for this sad phenomenon is the "closing of the door of ijtihad".
The word ijtihad, "inquiry", is related to jihad, "struggle".
But, as noted, few places went "backward", except in the aftermath of said military attacks. Rather, science was discouraged - and 500 years later it started up elsewhere. Islamic civilization was maintained, but with slower technological change and, eventually, the rest of the world changing around it.
Gmart
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So their obsession with scripture rather than technology led to their society dropping anchor and turning conservative?
The feign that only the educated can really interpret the scripture properly seems to lead to those without such education being at a disadvantage. Surely if the words are strong enough to create such a following they should have no fear in giving those who are able to read the trust to understand the words without being guided.
Do Muslims trust the human spirit? Or is the animal inside something to be controlled?
Do Muslims accept evolution?
The feign that only the educated can really interpret the scripture properly seems to lead to those without such education being at a disadvantage. Surely if the words are strong enough to create such a following they should have no fear in giving those who are able to read the trust to understand the words without being guided.
Do Muslims trust the human spirit? Or is the animal inside something to be controlled?
Do Muslims accept evolution?
There is a stagnation in the field of science in the islamic world. There are various reasons for this of which religion is but one, and possibly not even the main one.
This article is quite old now (2004) but I heard a R4 programme about this subject just a couple of weeks ago which suggested the situation is much the same today. From the article:
This article is from 2007 and says that:
As regards evolution, the situation is almost exactly the same as in the christian world - the more hard-headed people refuse to believe it because they think it conflicts with the creation story as told in the quran (which is basically the same creation story as in the bible).
This article is quite old now (2004) but I heard a R4 programme about this subject just a couple of weeks ago which suggested the situation is much the same today. From the article:
This article is from 2007 and says that:
As regards evolution, the situation is almost exactly the same as in the christian world - the more hard-headed people refuse to believe it because they think it conflicts with the creation story as told in the quran (which is basically the same creation story as in the bible).
Of course, the goal of the fundamentalist movement in the USA is precisely the "closing of the door of ijtihad".
No need for inquiry any more. Certain lines of inquiry must, they say, be banned. From now on, the assertions of their religious leaders (regardless of their education) must suffice instead of inquiry to guide, or compel, public policy.
It's not a specifically Islamic thing, see. It's a reaction to challenge that happens here and there from time to time.
* Pencils in a fortnight to re-read and read the whole of Joseph Needham's Science and Civilisation in China *
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
You're a real hoot!
Indeed!
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