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Al-Jazeera Bin Laden tape warns of US attacks

rogue yam said:
Well I can think of at least one important difference. Namely that in January, 2009, Pres. Bush will step down and never again wield executive power in the United States Government. OBL, by stark contrast, will continue doing what he is doing until he dies (which I would prefer to be sooner rather than later).

Other than that last bit, though, great rant!
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You had your chance in the 1940's to keep things as they were, but your anti-New Dealer ancestors had other ideas. As for OBL, do you really think he is at the head of some hydra-like 'organisation'?
 
The last Bin Laden audio tape wasn't genuine, according to Swiss analysts.

But the CIA says this one is.

Well, that's alright then.
 
Jazzz said:
The last Bin Laden audio tape wasn't genuine, according to Swiss analysts.

But the CIA says this one is.

Well, that's alright then.
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What about al-Jazeera's opinion?
 
When they can get away with lying with no evidence to go to war why would they waste time faking stuff like this?
 
They lied to go to the last war - a variety of lies, including maintaining that fake documents were genuine. They want more wars, with Iran maybe Syria. Claiming that this tape is genuine could well be another such lie to further their agenda. I don't really get the point.
 
I guess I'm just curious as to why you automatically assume it was the CIA that faked this (and not that it could be real or another intelligence agency)?
 
Kid_Eternity said:
I guess I'm just curious as to why you automatically assume it was the CIA that faked this (and not that it could be real or another intelligence agency)?
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i would guess it's faked. I couldn't like to guess who faked it - but the active lie would be the CIA maintaining it is genuine (like the documents which said Saddam Hussein tried to buy uranium from Niger, or say the documents showing the guilt of Galloway, or sure many other examples)
 
Red Jezza said:
you misconflated the poster you quoted. the US he wants to 'leave' muslim countries is the STATE presence - military, govt. etc personnel and equipment - not individuals not engaged in the war.
This is for two reasons
1) the tradition of welcoming individuals of other faiths - so long as they come in peace and friendship - is as old as Islam itself
2) There are - as a matter quite separate from the war - a huge number of westerners (presumably most/all xtians) working in the m/east, and other muslim nations, and they are needed to remedy the skills deficit. as such - provided they respect their hosts' ways - they are generally welcomed. OBL knows this, and knows the genral populaces know this.
so this is not about individual civilians leaving.
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Thank you for explaining what bin laden really means.
 
If I'm not mistaken...is this not a challenge to the American public to re-examine the reasons why their sons and daughters are dying for reasons unknown (ok it's oil) in far off places?
 
The neocon movement is in severe crisis as we speak.

The Project for a New American Century is unable to cope with the predictable backlash from the US...something that they never could have imagined in their wildest dreams.

These people a few years back, considered themselves to be invincible. They believed themselves to be Masters of the World...look at them now

This is only the beginning
 
vimto said:
The neocon movement is in severe crisis as we speak.

The Project for a New American Century is unable to cope with the predictable backlash from the US...something that they never could have imagined in their wildest dreams.

These people a few years back, considered themselves to be invincible. They believed themselves to be Masters of the World...look at them now

This is only the beginning
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Don't want to sound a note of caution to this, but this is also part of the plan to introduce a one-world (fascist) government... America's national pride must be broken.
 
Clever though. Offering a truce is a long term mind-fuck.

Bush will forever be associated with the Iraq war and 9/11, and this offer isn't directed at him because he can never turn back (read 'em and weep). And from the Western pov nothing but bad news is to come from that region for a long time, let's be honest. We can't win this because we are basically saying we rule the world.

Holding out your hand to the enemy is going to seem so...christian. To neutrals especially. Macchiavellian. Excellent tactics, utterly excellent. The kind of offer only made by someone who is about to really fuck you up in some way or another...an atrocity to be excused with the simple point "I offered to quit but they wouldn't". Compared to the fucking mess our boys have made of it this makes me worry.
 
Isn't the offering of truces a new thing though from him/his lot? I've often thought they considered introducing it after they saw the reaction to the Iraq war (worldwide protest etc). It's almost as if they've had some PR training and are using the truce to try and effect public opinion against the political elite...
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Isn't the offering of truces a new thing though from him/his lot? I've often thought they considered introducing it after they saw the reaction to the Iraq war (worldwide protest etc). It's almost as if they've had some PR training and are using the truce to try and effect public opinion against the political elite...
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They probably think the world is concentrating too much on Iraq. Offering a truce there then causing shit someplace else
 
Here is what a well-known lizard spotter has to say about the new release:

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The NeoCon use of Osama Bin Laden as a tool of fear and control is a tried and tested method whenever the going gets tough. It's predictable and it's tiresome, but the masses buy it every time and that's why he has reappeared once again. Just as the NSA spying tidal wave gathers increasing momentum, as the media demand more answers on rendition and torture and days after the bizarre airstrike on innocent women and children in Pakistan, we all magically get a timely reminder of just why the government is spying on its own citizens and torturing and killing anyone it likes anywhere in the world.

Just like Orwell's ubiquitous Emmanuel Goldstein, Bin Laden always seems to pop up right on cue so we can disengage our minds from reality and join in the two minutes hate.

AND THE WAY THE BBC AND OTHER 'NEWS' ORGANISATIONS JUST REPORT THAT THE TAPE IS DEFINITELY BIN LADEN, WITHOUT ANY QUESTION, IS BREATHTAKINGLY PATHETIC.


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'Good evening ... here is the news that the authorities want you to believe ... but trust us, we're the BBC ...'
from http://www.davidicke.com/headlines.php​
 
Jazzz said:
Don't want to sound a note of caution to this, but this is also part of the plan to introduce a one-world (fascist) government... America's national pride must be broken.
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I honestly do not have a fucking clue where you're coming from jazz
 
vimto said:
The Project for a New American Century is unable to cope with the predictable backlash from the US...something that they never could have imagined in their wildest dreams.
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I'm in America right now, and when I look around I simply do not see any "backlash", least of all one so unimaginably great. Sure, people are ambivalent about the war in Iraq and other issues, but that is just how we are, usually. The President is still in charge. His popular Supreme Court nominee is sailing to confirmation. The "lions" of the Democratic party are mainly heard of in jokes told during the opening monologues of the late-night talk shows. The presumptive 2008 Democratic frontrunner, Hillary, is trying (unsuccessfully) to flank the President on the right over Iran. Osama is widely seen as an evil and annoying man whose every word is a lie, and who is probably spending his every waking moment hiding from his fate. Folks would like him dead, but that's about it for him. The idea that any significant number of Americans would listen to his tape and think it anything other than some ploy is laughable. The Republicans want more than anything for the Nov. 2006 elections to be about Iraq and national security (and abortion) and the idiot Democrats are playing right into Republican strength. If this is a "backlash", then Karl Rove is a masochist because he's a very happy man right now.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4633580.stm

ok so who the fuck is it on the tape i have cut and pasted cos no dobut the bbc will change this cos it doens't work propperly as a scan but
BBC said:
'Zawahiri tape' praises fighters

Ayman al-Zawahiri was the alleged target of a US raid a week ago
An audio tape said to be by al-Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has been posted on a website - a week after an alleged US air strike targeting him.

The speaker praises Islamic fighters in Afghanistan but does not mention the strike - on a Pakistani village.

CIA experts in the US confirmed the voice was Zawahiri's but there is no evidence it is a recent recording.

The posting came a day after Arabic TV station al-Jazeera broadcast a message thought to be from Osama Bin Laden.

It is the first time Bin Laden has been heard from since December 2004.

'Good relations' ​

A CIA spokesperson said in Washington of the latest posting: "Following technical analysis of the tape, the CIA has assessed that it is the voice of Ayman al-Zawahiri."

However, a US counter-terrorism official told the AFP news agency there was "no reason to believe it was done recently".


A number of foreign militants are said to have been killed in the raid

It could be "something that someone pulled off the shelf and decided to post", he said.

The 18-minute tape takes the form of a long poem praising the "martyrs" fighting Western forces in Afghanistan.

In his message, Bin Laden appeared to suggest that a US withdrawal from Muslim lands could bring about a truce. The US dismissed it as a "ploy".

Meanwhile, several thousand people joined an anti-US rally in the Pakistani city of Peshawar on Friday in protest at the missile strike, in which 18 people died.

The attack took place in Damadola village, in the Pakistani tribal area bordering Afghanistan.

Zawahiri is not thought to have been present at the time of the raid but Pakistan says a number of foreign militants were killed.

The US has about 20,000 troops in Afghanistan, but Islamabad does not allow them to operate across the border.

Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has said he intends to raise the issue with US President George W Bush when he meets him in Washington next week.

The US insists relations with Pakistan remain good and says it will continue to target militants.
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so is it al-Zawahiri or bin laden? eh?? :confused:
 
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