Air France plane lost in the Atlantic

[Pie 1]

I've already achieved far more in less time

So, back on the sauce then.

 

[berniedicters]

Well, I'd never heard of him before.

I want an irony detector. Where do you buy them?

You can't. You only get one if the Illuminati decide you deserve one, and they come round your house in the dead of night and install it while you're asleep.

 

[gosub]

Get back to your flu scare mongering. Flu expert. You should make a video and get some YouTube telly fame with all the people you're trying to scare.

Hardly brilliant expertism is it? Lightning = fire. Never

Personally, I'll stick with the empty fuel tank explosion theory. Much prefer a sneer stick than a "we're all gonna die and I told you so" stick.

Tosser

Airbus do not put the wiring for the fuel pumps inside their fuel tanks unlike Boeing (who have still to get a mod past the FAA)

 

[QueenOfGoths]

Debris has been spotted apparently

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8079122.stm

 

[Roadkill]

Debris has been spotted apparently

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8079122.stm

It was only a matter of time until they found something...

Hopefully it is from the Airbus, and then at least the families of those who've died will have some sort of closure.

 

[Kanda]

Hopefully it's from the Airbus?

I don't get the uncertainty there, surely planes aren't dropping seats all over the Atlantic often, so that it may be up for debate?

 

[Roadkill]

Hopefully it's from the Airbus?

I don't get the uncertainty there, surely planes aren't dropping seats all over the Atlantic often, so that it may be up for debate?

Well obviously they almost certainly are from the Airbus, but they can't say that for certain without something to confirm it...

 

[sim667]

well its about time airfrance anounced exactly what the electrical fault messages are........ it could be anything from a media centre going wrong, to a lightbulb, to a major electrical problem......

I dont understand why they're with holding details ...... half a dozen electrical fault messages (which still havent been anounced what they are)...... and they took a really long time to report the flight missing (there is a logical explanation apparently) but still.......

 

[nick h.]

But they're French.

 

[Yossarian]

He's a right cunt. Seeking fame and money on the backs of 200+ dead.

Yep, all it takes is one "major disaster," and suddenly these "aviation experts" appear, giving their "informed opinions" to the "media" when requested to do so.

Why don't they get real jobs?!

 

[TitanSound]

Airliners have been brought down by turbulence in the past and some in the media are speculating that this was a likely cause today. There have been a few cases of aircraft plunging 15 or 20,000 feet because of turbulence, which is catastrophic if that's all the height you've got. But this aircraft was at cruising height, probably 35,000 feet, over the sea. If turbulence was the only problem the pilots should have had time to regain control. Unless the speed and attitude of the plunge put such a strain on the aircraft that it broke up. But this is almost unthinkable for a modern airliner.

I read in The Times today that the plane could have flown into a storm that automated radar normally detects and then steers the plane around because of the dangers. The did however say that some pilots distrust Airbus' heavy use of automated cockpit systems. The article cited the Quantas plane that recently went into a 600ft dive from normal cruising altitude because the auto pilot disengaged itself.

I think this could be a plausible cause as they say that a plane that has been at cruising altitude has not been lost in a storm since 1966. But, we will never really know what happened if they do not manage to find the black box.

 

[sim667]

But they're French.

Does that mean they're all to busy grooming themselves in the mirror, drinking red wine and chomping on bleu d'auvergne to make any anouncements?

 

[QueenOfGoths]

Just thought I'd see if SkyNews had any more details (they don't) but was put off by the incongruity of reading an article about plane debris being spotted while a big banner advert for easyjets 'summer of love' scrolled accros the top of the page

 

[g force]

well its about time airfrance anounced exactly what the electrical fault messages are........ it could be anything from a media centre going wrong, to a lightbulb, to a major electrical problem......

I dont understand why they're with holding details ...... half a dozen electrical fault messages (which still havent been anounced what they are)...... and they took a really long time to report the flight missing (there is a logical explanation apparently) but still.......

Because it doesn't help anyone to do so...if the messages suggest massive power problems that still doesn't necessarily mean that's what bought the plane down. Until they get the black box everything is pure speculation.

 

[berniedicters]

Because it doesn't help anyone to do so...if the messages suggest massive power problems that still doesn't necessarily mean that's what bought the plane down. Until they get the black box everything is pure speculation.

Yeah, this.

Thing is, we all want to know what happened, but we don't really need to know. And releasing effectively raw data is just asking for rampant speculation and hype that isn't helpful to anyone, and probably quite distressing for the families.

 

[sim667]

Because it doesn't help anyone to do so...if the messages suggest massive power problems that still doesn't necessarily mean that's what bought the plane down. Until they get the black box everything is pure speculation.

They wont find the black box..... And if they did release the information it would allow other companies to check their planes for similar problems

And still why so long to report the plane as missing, as far as my understanding goes, a plane takes off, its then tracked to a point where it joins a skylane offshore, in that skylane communication is difficult as can only be done by shortwave radio which is notoriously unreliable...... the plane is then tracked again as it leaves the skylane offshore of the country its due to land in...... so is there no a discrepency between the claims that there were automated messages sent, and the fact its hard to communicate in skylanes?

 

[nick h.]

Air France are wise to keep quiet. If they release more details of the aircraft's faults people will start questioning their maintenance and blaming their technicians.

But it's unlikely to be that simple. The media and their audience all want a clear cut story they can understand and always look for a single culprit - a freak storm, or a technician, or a pilot, or a design flaw. Often it turns out to be a combination of four or five factors, none of which would be fatal on their own.

 

[john x]

They wont find the black box.....

Do you know something no-one else does?

john x

 

[sim667]

Do you know something no-one else does?

john x

1 black box....... 1 ocean

if they do find it it will certainly be against the odds.

 

[john x]

1 black box....... 1 ocean.

1 small area of the ocean and the locator signal is active for 30 days.

They WILL find it. Too much is at stake here!

john x

 

[Spymaster]

Debris has been spotted apparently

I don't get the sad smilies chaps.

Given that it's an absolute certainty that the plane's crashed, finding the wreckage is a positive development.

 

[nick h.]

Some in the media were speculating that the passengers might be sitting around in liferafts. Perhaps the sad smiley users shared that hope?

 

[Spymaster]

Ah, ok. Although I never held out that hope.

It seems to me that if a plane suddenly loses coms at 35,000 ft, in a massive storm, over the Atlantic, there's really only one probable outcome and it doesn't involve liferafts.

 

[nick h.]

Have there ever been any survivors from an airliner-in-the-water scenario apart from the Hudson River and the hijack off an African beach?

e2a: wiki knows of course:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_landing#Survival_rates_of_passenger_plane_water_ditchings

 

[QueenOfGoths]

I don't get the sad smilies chaps.

Given that it's an absolute certainty that the plane's crashed, finding the wreckage is a positive development.

I agree with you - it is a positive development after an awful event. I think I was trying to reflect the latter but with hindsight no smilie would probably have been better.

 

[penelopepitstop]

Three employees of the company I work for were on that plane.

I don't know them but, fuck,,,

 

[sim667]

1 small area of the ocean and the locator signal is active for 30 days.

They WILL find it. Too much is at stake here!

john x

we'll see.......

if they do find it and its probably at the bottom of the ocean it may be very hard to retrieve.

 

[john x]

it may be very hard to retrieve.

I think you'll find it wont.

john x

 

[nick h.]

2 minutes of googling tells you they have been retrieved from greater depths than this one is at.

 

[john x]

...and no googling at all, tells us that so much is at stake for Air France, Airbus Industrie and aviation in general that no effort nor expense will be spared to get to the bottom of this accident.

john x