Ai Weiwei Sunflower Seeds at the Tate Modern. Meh

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by editor, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. editor

    editor hiraethified

  2. QueenOfGoths

    QueenOfGoths Fuck you Dave!

    Yeah, I was keen on going to this....if you could walk on it and scoop handfuls up etc.. It seems a bit, well, dull, if it isn't' interactive'.
  3. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    I actually thought you were allowed to walk on them, though I did think that seemed rather impractical.

    So not a new Weather Project? Still haven't got over missing that one :(
  4. joustmaster

    joustmaster offcumdun

    its not really his fault though, is it.
  5. gabi

    gabi Banned Banned

    It looked wicked until health and safety stepped in. what is with the UK and health n safety? no other country ive ever been to is as fucking anal about it
  6. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    If you took some birds with you it could have been good?
  7. editor

    editor hiraethified

    No, but I'm not sure if being able to walk over it would have made it that much more exciting. However you spin it, it's just a pile of gravelly stuff.
  8. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    And just when did their empires fall? :p ;)
  9. the button

    the button out on the kocker

    I'm sure it would be possible to herd some pigeons from outside into the turbine hall, with a little application.
  10. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby Share knowledge, don't weaponize it

    He's under house arrest now
  11. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Ok, that is taking Health & Safety too far :(
  12. DJWrongspeed

    DJWrongspeed radio eros

    Did you watch the accompaying film ? I think it's a stunning piece, albeit flawed by h&s, the enormity of the exercise, the hand painted porcelain, it's like looking at all the people in China laid before you.
  13. editor

    editor hiraethified

    *looks again

    No. It still looks like a gravel driveway to me.
  14. sim667

    sim667 Licking windows on the 303 bus.

    A guy I work with is freinds with one of the curators at the tate modern....

    You are meant to walk on it and crush it all up, but the security guards protested that they weren't prepared to take the risk of standing in there for prolonged periods of time and inhaling the dust.
  15. gabi

    gabi Banned Banned

    they need to fucking harden up
  16. machine cat

    machine cat nod from the big man as kosher Banned

    Who the fuck brings golf clubs to an art gallery?
  17. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Good question.
  18. myname

    myname Active Member

    when I went you could pick them up from the edges, they're really quite attractive little things in your hand, actually I'm surprised there are many left.
  19. editor

    editor hiraethified

    There was a very distinct border around the seeds protected by a wire cable that suggested - very firmly - "hands orf, peasants!".
  20. newme

    newme Giant in Pastyland now

    I dont get it?
  21. MysteryGuest

    MysteryGuest mahdollisesti

    I went on the opening day - twas great fun to scrunch around on the seeds. Kids were building seedcastles, lots of groups of people sitting around socialising. I really enjoyed it. A seed accidentally fell into my pocket, which I'm keeping as a souvenir.

    Unlike some whatnots who have been putting them on ebay:


    I think it really worked as a work of art when I went - not sure if it works properly now.
  22. I went on the second day and you could still walk about on it then.
    I found a seed in my sock later.
    It was quite moving, the scale of it, all those little handpainted seeds, and there was a good film to watch and an interactive 'questions for the artist' bit.
    I was sad when they closed it off.
  23. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    I've not been but I really like art that people can interact with so i thought it looked quite good. I hadn't realised it had been shut off though - that makes it pretty pointless really.
  24. OpalFruit

    OpalFruit Active Member

    On the 'imagine' film about him last night they showed poster art from the Mao Tse Tung era showing huge sunflower heads all pointing towards MTT, as sunflowers turn towards the sun.
    I would like to see it, even in it's 'hands-off' state.
    Amazing artist.
    Who would imagine the artist / architect of the Olympic Birds Nest stadium being under house arrest? Shameful.
  25. madzone

    madzone Physically unfavourable

    I disagree that it's dull. I found it very beautiful and serene. After I watched the film I went and had another look and found it quite moving. I wouldn't have wanted to walk on it anyway.
  26. clicker

    clicker nanook rubs it....


    I went and thought it was really sad :(....all that work undertaken by all those people, to realise a dream that never was given a chance...wish I'd gone on opening day, thought we'd miss the stampeding mob....there was a guard patrolling the wire around the edge with zero tolerance and barked 'move away' at regular intervals...a woman next to me still managed to stretch over and liberate one seed while he was barking in a southerly direction...that made me was so constrictive and hands would be too easy to liken it to the closed society from whence the seeds were created....but I really believe it was just an almighty fail of quite epic proportions....will it stay for 6 months? I wish not....but the next installation is probably not ready....this should be somewhere, use the seeds for something....just not this....fill huge glass containers with them in grassy areas...anything...just move them, they are sad.
  27. madzone

    madzone Physically unfavourable

    It would be interesting to hear what the artists thinks. I suspect he's not half as precious as the public.

    How would putting them in glass jars be any different to what they are now?

    I suspect the artisan workers who made them couldn't give a fuck if they are walked on or not. They got paid, they had work of that kind in the town for the first time in ages. I would hazard a guess they aren't weeping into their tea every night about the lost dreams of their beautiful sunflower seeds.
  28. clicker

    clicker nanook rubs it....

    Now that they can't fulfill their intended function....I think they would fill receptacles quite beautifully.....I think they fill, what in essence appears to be a car park floor, less beautifully.
  29. madzone

    madzone Physically unfavourable

    The Turbine Hall has never been a salubrious space. The artist knew where they were going. My personal opinion is that they fit the space remarkably well - even as a static exhibit. I had no pre conceived ideas about them and didn't know they were designed to be walked on. Perhaps that's made it easier for me to see them differently. For me they have a memorial garden feel about them. I found it very soothing and contemplative and perhaps enjoyed it more than watching groups of overexcited people scuffing through them and stamping all over them.

    I agree about the guards though. I told one off for being over zealous when he stopped someone leaning over the rope just to get a look at them. He wasn't even reaching out to touch them - just looking. I might email Tate Modern and tell them I think it was over the top.
  30. clicker

    clicker nanook rubs it....

    I love the Turbine Hall as a 'space' when the installation works within it......which to date they in my opinion all have...this particular one was meant to be 'interactive'...and as such also would have worked within the would have been bigger than the 'space'. Your memorial garden feeling is interesting, perhaps that goes some way to explain why I find it sad.

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