camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Good point, both leaders could say the same thing, pointing to themselves as proof of the result.
Ahmedinajad gets C4's alternative Christmas message slot
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Good point, both leaders could say the same thing, pointing to themselves as proof of the result.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Roll on David Irving next year!
John Zerzan, lol. Primitivists have to be the biggest cunts on the planet. Their ideology, if it were to ever be put into practice would result in the death of most of the human population, their plans for mass murder/genocide would make the Nazi Holocaust and the Stalinist purges look totally insignificant in comparison. Primitivism has to be the most repugnant and vile of all the ideologies, fascism included.
Though yeah, if we can have Ahmedinajad on the telly, no reason not to have a raving loon like Zerzan on either, just another cunt to have on the telly to take the piss out off.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
It's predictable stuff - peace and justice in the name of religion:
It's a silly sensationalist thing for CH4 to do, but I find the outrage at him being given a platform a bit odd. So his regime tramples on human rights. It's true. But we see an awful lot of Bush on our televisions. Y'know, the fluffy guy who likes kittens.
Methinks he has some particular people in mind
It's a silly sensationalist thing for CH4 to do, but I find the outrage at him being given a platform a bit odd. So his regime tramples on human rights. It's true. But we see an awful lot of Bush on our televisions. Y'know, the fluffy guy who likes kittens.
yes cos nothing good has ever been done in the name of religion ever
It's predictable stuff - peace and justice in the name of religion:
Methinks he has some particular people in mind
It's a silly sensationalist thing for CH4 to do, but I find the outrage at him being given a platform a bit odd. So his regime tramples on human rights. It's true. But we see an awful lot of Bush on our televisions. Y'know, the fluffy guy who likes kittens.
only if you have the spice channel
but we see bush on the news a lot, that's a totally different thing than ch4 giving him an important slot
the thing that is really fucking annoying is that having some militaristic islamic fundamentalist is meant to be an alternative. cos yeah, if there was one aspect of islam that is underrepresented it's the lunatic fringe
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
How embarrassing for your country, eh?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
I think next year, they should have Robert Mugabe on.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
How embarrassing for your country, eh?
Ch 4 dos'nt speak for us all over here ya know.
stretchy18
New Member
How embarrassing for your country, eh?
not really
i completely disagree with the decision by channel4 but I don't see how freedom of speech is embarrassing
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
I'd say the balance sheet is looking a tad wonky in favour of bad things, put it like that.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Next year's message will come from Davros, Ghenkis Khan and Jack the Ripper apparently.
from your objective viewpoint?
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
His speech kind of makes the people who were screaming blue murder over the choice look a bit silly really.
it's not what he said, it's the a statement putting him on telly
noone cares what he says or gives a fuck. that's another reason it's disgusting. a lot of people do have something to say
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Spot on - this isn't an alternative christmas message, if it was they would have chosen someone without the access to the national media or the powerful, someone fighting against oppression, not one of the oppressors. Choosing Ahmedinajad puts it on exactly the same footing as the official one.
It's not like there's a lack of other options too - if they insisted on doing something to with the area they could have chosen someone like Maryam Namzie or another of the many political activists chased out of Iran by the Theocracy under penalty of death and they'd have got some who'd make the argument against both US intervention and the Theocracy. If they wanted to pick some simply to piss off the US (which is the sniggering schoolboy approach i think led to Ahmedinajad being chosen) Moazzam Begg. They could've got someone from human rights watch, medicenes sans frontieres and so on.
Instead they chose the holocaust questioning head of a theocracy that kills people for being gay, locks people up for setting up trade unions or political parties and so on - all so that a group of aging tv execs at a channel whose broadcast content consists almost exclusively of reality tv, property shows, crap teenage soaps with wannabe stars and american trash can pretend to themselves they still run a radical channel. Fucking pathetic.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
yep.
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
Well said - excellent post and am in total agreement with it
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Source?
Because I read that article you linked to. And it doesn't say what you have implied it says. It doesn't say that he was an officer with special responsibility for training the squads of children they sent in as human minefield clearers on a dodgy promise of martyrdom with a key hung round their necks.
What it actually says is:
from the link provided said:
It does say that children were recruited as volunteers to the Basiji during the Iran-Iraq war.
It does say that those 'volunteers' were sent in as human minefield clearers.
It does say that they were on a promise of martyrdom with a 'key to paradise' strung round their necks.
But it doesn't anywhere say that Ahmedinejad was an officer with the Basiji during the Iran-Iraq war with special responsibility for training the squads of children they sent in as human minefield clearers.
What's your source for that assertion?
JimW
支那暗杀团
Fair cop, I misremembered and didn't re-read when I found the link I'd first read ages ago. I'll re-state it as "he gets some of his political capital from his links to the Basiji, an organisation which trained children to be used as human minefield clearers." You can also read about the role of the Basiji today.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Expanding on the idea of "alternative", it's not just that they've wasted an opportunity to have somebody on who could have said something actually alternative to the current system, it's also that they are portraying that as "alternative", and so reinforcing the idea that your choice is between a selection of shitty governments and that's it.
It also reinforces the idea that there really is a "clash of ideas" here, as regularly promoted, that what is actually happening when states are fighting over resources is that there's a Culture War, an Ideological Battle, rather than different tiny groups of people wanting control over the same thing. But, hey, with Channel 4 you have the choice as to how much you align yourself with "the West" or "the Islamic World", so you can be a thoughtful liberal and decide how much of each's rhetoric you agree with to define yourself. It's not like silly old Bush saying "you're either with us or against us"! You can be a percentage with us and a percentage against us!
It also reinforces the idea that there really is a "clash of ideas" here, as regularly promoted, that what is actually happening when states are fighting over resources is that there's a Culture War, an Ideological Battle, rather than different tiny groups of people wanting control over the same thing. But, hey, with Channel 4 you have the choice as to how much you align yourself with "the West" or "the Islamic World", so you can be a thoughtful liberal and decide how much of each's rhetoric you agree with to define yourself. It's not like silly old Bush saying "you're either with us or against us"! You can be a percentage with us and a percentage against us!
revol68
what, fucking what?
if it was some fucking neo con or some white reactionary cunt doing it the channel 4 and guardian brigade would be in uproar but hey he's the president of a swarthy nation so it's fine that he heads a regime that hangs homosexuals not to mention the rest of it.
Still it is epic trolling by channel 4 pity it does fit with a lot of retarded anti americanism that somehow passes itself off as radical politics these days.
Still it is epic trolling by channel 4 pity it does fit with a lot of retarded anti americanism that somehow passes itself off as radical politics these days.
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