Ahmadinejad goes off the deep end.

[Spion]

I see. Do you think he did so?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Only a zionist would accuse someone of anti-semitism anyway.

IME this is true!

 

[butchersapron]

He did yes and i've said why.

Do you think i was calling him an anti-semite?

 

[Spion]

Do you think i was calling him an anti-semite?

I did think that might be what you were saying. And you were, in a way, by extension, as an 'apologist' for. Your posts are usually so curt so it's hard to tell what you mean half the time

 

[butchersapron]

Or who says them.

 

[butchersapron]

**wrong thread**

 

[Spion]

whoops

 

[butchersapron]

Oh, i was really calling him an anti-semite. Ok, thanks.

 

[Spion]

Oh, i was really calling him an anti-semite. Ok, thanks.

*short sarcastic post that can't really be responded to*

 

[ViolentPanda]

I did think that might be what you were saying. And you were, in a way, by extension, as an 'apologist' for. Your posts are usually so curt so it's hard to tell what you mean half the time

You know what I'm wondering?

I'm wondering why you're quoting me giving BA's reply.

 

[Spion]

You know what I'm wondering?

I'm wondering why you're quoting me giving BA's reply.

You imagined it









(I multiquoted and then edited the result. I've corrected it now)

 

[butchersapron]

Why did you give up the multi-quoting - didn't find what you imagined?

 

[dylans]

OK. So you weren't implying that I am anti-Semitic. I will take your word for it in good faith.

So what in that particular quote makes you assume I am apologising for Ahmedinadjad or the Iranian regime? What exactly do you disagree with in the Ahmedinedjad quote that I posted?

 

[butchersapron]

That's a mighty fine way to apologise.

Read my post in response to yours - and get it right this time. Don't ask me to agree or not with a context free line zipped out of history.

 

[Spion]

Why did you give up the multi-quoting - didn't find what you imagined?

It was a actually a combination of mistaken multiquote button followed by an editing mistake. Guided, of course, by a deeply anti-semitic typing method

 

[Spion]

Don't ask me to agree or not with a context free line zipped out of history.

But it'd be OK to disagree with the anti-semitic bit?

 

[butchersapron]

What bit?

 

[Spion]

The bit that if you refer to it in passing, especially prefixed by the word 'so', means you are an apologist for theocracy

 

[butchersapron]

The bit that's not anti-semetic?

 

[butchersapron]

Nick Griffin had a good position view on the occupation of Iraq, the truth od that injustice is not diminshed by this. Politics, i'd like you to meet a young lad called spion, he's naive and resistant to learning...

 

[dylans]

Nick Griffin had a good position view on the occupation of Iraq, the truth od that injustice is not diminshed by this. .

Unfortunately, as I have said, the truth of Ahmedinadjeds point about the Palestinians having to pay the price for the European Jewish tragedy, is diminished by his undoubted anti-Semitism. It will be forgotten and ignored by the outrage at the rest of his speech. The Israeli propaganda machine will ensure that.
How is this in any way an apology for Ahmedinadjed?

 

[butchersapron]

That's sort of the point.

 

[Spion]

Sorry, what's sort of the point?

 

[david dissadent]

This is Ahmedinedjad giving it some populist rhetoric to distract from the election fiasco and the ongoing protests. Problem is, it's pretty much a single-use distraction tactic unless your people are thoroughly indoctrinated in anti-Semitism, and the Iranian public, whatever else they are, are well-educated enough to know when someone is running a snow-job on them.

I think you are missing something. When the head of government gives credibility to this kind of thinking it lowers barriers on it. It makes it more acceptable and raises the risks.

It also does not matter if the urbane middle classes can see it for what it is. Its red meat to the kind of people likely to join the sort of vigilante groups the Basij appear to be.

On another level it does suggest that he is having to work like hell to shore up his position. This kind of rhetoric is likely to attract alot of disaproval from the various religous leaders and to stoop to it suggests he is struggling or has given up on the support of alot of the mullahs. Offcourse the opposite could be true and he now feels secure enough to boldly march where angels have feared to tread.

(all the above is dependent on this speach being a major step change in rhetoric and not merely a change in reporting of it.)

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry, what's sort of the point?

Sorry, did you say something? Did you deliver those arms? Did you got to Brum? Support? Phh!

The point being that you can't really remove the message from who is delivering it. It's elementary.

NIck Griffin has a point...

 

[dylans]

The point being that you can't really remove the message from who is delivering it. It's elementary.

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As I have said, Ahmedinadjad's anti-Semitism is a gift to Israel. It allows them to ignore the essential truth of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. A modern day holocaust. The ethnic cleansing of an entire people, justified and excused by events that had nothing to do with them.

However, if you were a Palestinian in Gaza, driven off your land, living under starvation sanctions, hiding from IDF phospherous bombs, digging the bodies of your family from the wreckage of your home, I don't think you would give a flying fuck where the message came from. It's still the truth. Gaza is the Warsaw Ghetto of the Middle East.
Perhaps if you showed a little less "outrage" at Ahmedinadjad's remarks and a little more outrage at Israeli war crimes, I would have more respect for you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

OK. So you weren't implying that I am anti-Semitic. I will take your word for it in good faith.

So what in that particular quote makes you assume I am apologising for Ahmedinadjad or the Iranian regime? What exactly do you disagree with in the Ahmedinedjad quote that I posted?

"Apologism" and "apologising" aren't quite the same thing. The former is "making excuses for", the latter is "saying sorry for".

 

[JHE]

It's not true that Ahmedinedjad doesn't believe in the Holocaust. He just thinks it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not true that Ahmedinedjad doesn't believe in the Holocaust. He just thinks it hasn't happened yet.

does he think the nazis were just pissing about?

 

[goldenecitrone]

I wonder if Ahmadinejad really believes what he says, or is he just saying it for effect. In all likelihood it's just for effect, but he'd really like to believe it.