david dissadent
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Yes a paid agent of the Likud\ Zionist ZOG orginisation. How did you spot it?
Ahmadinejad goes off the deep end.
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Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
i wouldn't say he's that extreme from reading the wiki stuff tbh, he seems to want to create a space for his views to become talked about and has done that very sucessfully with his blog since 2002 apparently.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I'd never heard of him until I read this thread. However, a reading of the wiki article and I wouldn't call him extreme either. I was just pointing out how wide of the mark cocinelle is.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
"this Chomsky bloke, he must be some sort of pro-government Bush stooge, he says that 911 conspiracy theories are wrong"
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Where were you all last xmas?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
giving you my heart I think
butchersapron
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Tkk Maxx say no returns.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Also, Rude Boy has been brutally supressing protests by students etc in Iran, to the point where they shut down the media in order to hide what they're doing there.
A real mischief maker.
The appearance of an outside threat?
Like the appearance that Iran's enemies have occupied the countries immediately to its east and west, thus surrounding it?
Or the appearance that Israel has been openly threatening to bomb Iran for years?
I can assure you that you are wrong about that. Was he not just re-elected with a landslide majority?
As for Cole, his reference to "the usually reasonable New York Times" should tell you all you need to know about where he's coming from. It's the classic manouver of shifting the terms of debate, so that anyone who points out that the USA is blatantly lying about Iran can be accused of being a radical anti-Zionist.
It's not exactly hard to win on a landslide when you're blatantly fiddling the results.
Well since Cole himself was at the centre of a row where he pointed out that a widely used translation of one of Ahmedinijad's speeches was misleading and made his views look more extreme and anti-semitic than they actually were, that'd be a bit of a strange thing for him to do.
That's what I mean.
Cole did nothing more radical than tell the plain truth about that speech, as any decent journo should have done.
But the Western media have constructed the spectrum of opinion regarding Israel in such a way that simply telling the truth supposedly makes you a fervent anti-Zionist.
It is this same spectrum of opinion that makes anyone who says Ahmedinajad won the election fair and square (which he did) look like Osama bin Laden.
Perhaps so, but the fact remains that Juan Cole is clearly not consciously part of any such process, as you appear to suggest in the post I was applying to. It's certainly the case that Cole is willing to criticise Israel's actions, even if his views are somewhat naive.
And while I'm not suggesting that Ahmadinejad wouldn't have likely won that election anyway, there are some fairly obvious and suspicious irregularities in the way that election was carried out.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I remember Juan Cole campaigning against the translation of the speech a couple of years ago which had ahmadenijad "wiping the Jews" off the face of the earth. He thought it an unfair and provocative translation.
He is very hot on translation and no ones fool.
He is very hot on translation and no ones fool.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This is Ahmedinedjad giving it some populist rhetoric to distract from the election fiasco and the ongoing protests. Problem is, it's pretty much a single-use distraction tactic unless your people are thoroughly indoctrinated in anti-Semitism, and the Iranian public, whatever else they are, are well-educated enough to know when someone is running a snow-job on them.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
So Ahmedinedjad uses anti-semitic language, hardly news. However....
" The occupation of the Palestinian land had no connection with the issue of holocaust. The claim, the pretext, and the masterminds are all fraudulent and corrupt. They are all historical criminals."
......Is absolutely spot on. The Palestinians have indeed been made to pay the price for a European problem that they had nothing to do with. The Israeli state and its apologists do indeed cynically hide behind the holocaust to deflect criticism of what amounts to a modern day holocaust, the ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide of the Palestinian people by Israel.
" The occupation of the Palestinian land had no connection with the issue of holocaust. The claim, the pretext, and the masterminds are all fraudulent and corrupt. They are all historical criminals."
......Is absolutely spot on. The Palestinians have indeed been made to pay the price for a European problem that they had nothing to do with. The Israeli state and its apologists do indeed cynically hide behind the holocaust to deflect criticism of what amounts to a modern day holocaust, the ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide of the Palestinian people by Israel.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The 'So' gives the game away.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Oh do fuck off you prick. If you wish to join the Zionists in labelling anyone who criticises Israel as Anti-Semitic, go ahead. I stand with the victims of Israeli aggression.
The tragedy is that Ahmedinedjad, with his crass anti-Semitism, plays straight into the hands of Zionist apologists like you.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I do so wish to join the zionists. That you think you can subtract the good part from the bad part of a sort of holocuast questioning pep talk tells me all i need to know abaout you and your rotten politics.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
butchers often reasonable and astute points are too often lost in the bile.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Weird, i'm called a prick and i'm the one doing the bile. Oh yeah, i described a postion that i think de facto supports a murdering theocracy as 'rotten.'
You need more bile, more wedge driving in all honesty, not sensibe paragraphed defences. More politics.
You need more bile, more wedge driving in all honesty, not sensibe paragraphed defences. More politics.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The problem with larding the truth with populist rhetoric is that the truth gets buried by the rhetoric. People won't remember Ahmedinedjad elucidating the lack of connection between the holocaust and the post-war mass-settlement of Palestine, they'll remember the anti-Semitic rhetoric.
Spion
I hear ya
Give us more bile, less explanation, Butch. I think your standing in these parts would really benefit
Spion
I hear ya
Which 'people', where? Was this a speech for home consumption?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If you need something so simple explaining to you then you also have a problem.
Spion
I hear ya
You were speaking in general about bile, and so was I. Give me some more, now please
dylans
overlord of all acorns
I completely agree and that is the tragedy of Ahmedinedjed's crass anti-Semitism. It gives weapons to Israel and its apologists who wish to smear all opponents of Israel with the brush of anti-Semitism.
This is nothing new, the Israeli propaganda machine is expert at this kind of abuse. Criticism of Israel= anti Semitism. Not difficult, they have enough useful idiots like butchers to do their dirty work for them.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Don't be so needy.
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