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Agrippa's trilemma and the impossibility of knoweldge
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you can sum it up in one sentence really:
the present moment, is the only thing that is real
That is impossible.
If past or future aren't real the present can't be real either since present is creator of both past and future.
salaam.
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this argument doesnt follow, the present moment is the only moment that is real, precisely BECAUSE present is creator of both past and future
past and future, are illusory projections, from the present moment
when you remember the past, you do so in the present moment
when you anticipate the future, you do so in the present moment
therefore, there is no *real* past or future, these are just projections, from the present moment
therefore, the present moment is the only thing that is real
No, the present creates the past because it incorporates it. It creates the future because that inevitably follows. If you take the present as real, so do you take what it incorporates and induces for real.
salaam.
max_freakout
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the present moment just exists, "i think therefore i am" etc etc
but memories, are just something which you experience in the present moment.
Simlarly, your belief that the future is inevitably going to follow, is again, just something which you experience in the present moment
time is a very convincing illusion, but the truth is, there is no time, there is only NOW
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you are reading THIS word, right NOW
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if you look at your experience of the world, it's pretty clear that your conscious experience, is experience of the present moment
you do not consciously experience the past or the future, you have memories by which you indirectly experience the past, and anticipations by which you indirectly experience the future
but you do your remembering, and your anticipating, in the present
you do not consciously experience the past or the future, you have memories by which you indirectly experience the past, and anticipations by which you indirectly experience the future
but you do your remembering, and your anticipating, in the present
max_freakout
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when you look at a clock, you see what time it is in the present moment, not in the past or the future
Has nothing to do with it.
I'm not talking about singular perception of an individual.
I'm talking of "present" as concept and you claim the impossible, because of the reasons I listed.
Time as represented in your perception has nothing to do with it either and the "now" you talk about is only your individual perception thereof.
Present is the past as it became developed in the future and is the future anticipated. Hence both are as real as the present or there is no real present possible.
salaam.
You look at an artificial representation of time as indicated on the clock. That's all.
salaam.
It's not clear at all. If you look at your experience of the world all sorts of things appear to be the case, but that by no means guarantees that they really are the case. I can't see how your perceptions of a continuous present are absolutely trustworthy, when you maintain that your perceptions of all sorts of other things are not - it's just not consistent at all!
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
Its reminds me of Queen dismissing Bohemian Rhapsody as 'just a nonsense song'
what about the the connection between the magical outcome and the experience?
cesare
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According to Kenny Everett.
max_freakout
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"oh the niiiight, when Christ was born!"
that's a nonsense hymn
Tolle just glosses over the connection, he mentions it briefly once, then not again in the whole book
he says something like this in the first chapter:
"i thought to myself, i cannot live with myself anymore, then i realised, that must mean i am 2 people, but what if only one of them is real, then i woke up the next morning and i was happy"
and that is the only mention of his ego death....
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