AFN vs Unite the Right and NF in Dover 12/09/15

[cantsin]

Social class is relevant though.

there's another video on YT etc, shot by an NF bod, that films the AFN lot up close , for a good 10 mins .

I admire their bravery, a lot, because they look/sound/seem like they could come very unstuck against the NF grizzlies (and the like ) on anything even approaching even numbers . Class is a part of it, hard to argue otherwise.

 

[tony.c]

RT coverage:

 

[Red Sky]

Antifa beaten in Dover • /r/Anarchism

Anti-Fascism is about defending minorities, not making Fascists bleed

My first reaction was that this was written by some kid on his first day out after Liverpool and that we were better off without them. Some of the blame no doubt lies at the door of the ridiculous online 'antifa' subculture. Pictures of bloody knuckledusters on your profile page do not a streetfighter make.

 

[Red Sky]

there's another video on YT etc, shot by an NF bod, that films the AFN lot up close , for a good 10 mins .

I admire their bravery, a lot, because they look/sound/seem like they could come very unstuck against the NF grizzlies (and the like ) on anything even approaching even numbers . Class is a part of it, hard to argue otherwise.

This sort of stuff is really annoying - on the tiny bit of hand to hand that happened on the day - we won, GCSEs or no GCSEs. The rest of the day was spent as two ineptly managed kettles throwing bricks at each other.

 

[Red Sky]

The chronology in that RT footage is so bizarre that it's positively experimental.

 

[malatesta32]

the NF suffered a recent split and the name now 'belongs' to kevin bryant who is not the most popular of nazis. he has attracted the dwindling infidels, SEA and other one horse shitbags but it is still an uneasy alliance and many long term far right wont touch him. many see richard edmonds as potential leadership but he is about 80 and past it.

 

[cantsin]

This sort of stuff is really annoying - on the tiny bit of hand to hand that happened on the day - we won, GCSEs or no GCSEs. The rest of the day was spent as two ineptly managed kettles throwing bricks at each other.

really not trying to be annoying or patronising, and wasn't being sarcy re: admiring your courage, it just all looks likes such a potential mismatch on the video I saw ('NF Demo in Dover ' on YT - fash vid / so not putting up link, and it looks like a bit of a splinter thing on both sides ) - anyway, easy to sit behind a keyboard chucking opinions about, while you're out there actually doing something

 

[The Flying Pig]

It seems nothing was learnt from the Whitechapel debacle.

 

[jimmer]

It seems nothing was learnt from the Whitechapel debacle.

Care to expand?

It looks like we're seeing a wave of fascist street violence being unleashed across Britain, with the exception of what's happened to National Action the rest of the far-right have been growing in confidence. We've just seen the far-right cause a non-league football match to be abandoned and leave less than a dozen people with minor injuries (at both Thamesmead and Dover). More than a dozen far-right activists have been hospitalised in this same period, but they are feeling confident and planning more attacks. It looks like something is being planned for London this weekend and will happen around the Pegida protest and Lord Carson memorial parade on Saturday, not clear what though.

 

[The Flying Pig]

Care to expand?

It looks like we're seeing a wave of fascist street violence being unleashed across Britain, with the exception of what's happened to National Action the rest of the far-right have been growing in confidence. We've just seen the far-right cause a non-league football match to be abandoned and leave less than a dozen people with minor injuries (at both Thamesmead and Dover). More than a dozen far-right activists have been hospitalised in this same period, but they are feeling confident and planning more attacks. It looks like something is being planned for London this weekend and will happen around the Pegida protest and Lord Carson memorial parade on Saturday, not clear what though.

The Ninja turtles are not a force to be reckoned with and their previous actions have just alienated the very people that could make a difference ie : your average working class person who often by definition has trod the same path as the thuggish elements of the fascist groups all be it on the other side.

 

[Citizen66]

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[The39thStep]

Wave of fascist violence being unleashed across Britain? Is anyone apart from the anti fascists who never sleep aware of this?

 

[jimmer]

Wave of fascist violence being unleashed across Britain? Is anyone apart from the anti fascists who never sleep aware of this?

Maybe not yet but I'm sure that will change, as they get more confident they'll go for bigger targets.

 

[Red Sky]

It looks like we're seeing a wave of fascist street violence being unleashed across Britain

There's an element of hyberbole here - the far-right are arguably less capable of violence then they were a few years ago. However they have been whittled down to a hard-core and that has meant those individuals still involved are more likely to be violent.

 

[tony.c]

There's an element of hyberbole here - the far-right are arguably less capable of violence then they were a few years ago. However they have been whittled down to a hard-core and that has meant those individuals still involved are more likely to be violent.

But also more likely to end up behind bars.

 

[Red Sky]

The Ninja turtles are not a force to be reckoned with and their previous actions have just alienated the very people that could make a difference ie : your average working class person who often by definition has trod the same path as the thuggish elements of the fascist groups all be it on the other side.

I read this a few times and couldn't make head nor tail of it. An 'average' working class person is unlikely to have encountered anyone involved in any of this on either side. They might be aware of it as something that happens on the news. So suggesting that an entire section of the population has been 'alienated' seems a little strong.

However this is the bit I really don't get -What 'path' is it that 'by definition' a working class person has trodden as well as the fascists? That presumably hasn't been trodden by any anti-fascists?

 

[The Flying Pig]

I read this a few times and couldn't make head nor tail of it. An 'average' working class person is unlikely to have encountered anyone involved in any of this on either side. They might be aware of it as something that happens on the news. So suggesting that an entire section of the population has been 'alienated' seems a little strong.

However this is the bit I really don't get -What 'path' is it that 'by definition' a working class person has trodden as well as the fascists? That presumably hasn't been trodden by any anti-fascists?

And therein proves my point! Just as the ninja turtles have no connection or understanding of how to connect with the working class Red Sky can't even understand our language.

 

[Red Sky]

And therein proves my point! Just as the ninja turtles have no connection or understanding of how to connect with the working class Red Sky can't even understand our language.

Or you're just talking fucking gibberish. Explain yourself.

 

[Citizen66]

Ninja turtles = masked anti-fascists (?). Their previous actions (anti-fascism?) alienates those who haven't encountered ninja turtles or boneheads. I'm confused how you alienate people who are unaware of either you or your foe's existence, but apparently this happens. They trod these paths too, but unawares.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Sometimes a ninja turtle is just a ninja turtle...

...but not often.

 

[DrRingDing]

And therein proves my point! Just as the ninja turtles have no connection or understanding of how to connect with the working class Red Sky can't even understand our language.

The facemasks are a necessity in the modern age. Many plod were wearing video cameras on their lapels in Dover, twats with cameras are everywhere plus ubiquitous CCTV.

If you do direct action when there's plod about and you want to do it sustainably....gotta get yer turtle on.

 

[DrRingDing]

Isnt it Mal's job to cover anti fascist activities?

With a resurgence of neo-nazis on Britain's streets. Will we see the The39thStep out and about?

 

[The39thStep]

With a resurgence of neo-nazis on Britain's streets. Will we see the The39thStep out and about?

I am like a surfer staring at the sea waiting for the tide

 

[krink]

I am like a surfer staring at the sea waiting for the tide

I'm in the draughty promenade cafe, drinking weak tea and wishing i could just go home

 

[The Flying Pig]

Or you're just talking fucking gibberish. Explain yourself.

There is a surprise. If you don't understand then just throw abuse at the other person. I have lost count the number of times myself and comrades have tried to discuss with the ninja crews(of course in their civvies) upcoming actions and assessments of actions taken. Each and every time they are unwilling or just cannot comprehend the basic fact they have no idea or understanding of how to connect with working class anti fascists.

 

[Citizen66]

Working class people never mask up?

 

[DrRingDing]

Tick followed tock

 

[The Flying Pig]

We only mask up when we go robbing!

 

[DaveCinzano]

 

[The Flying Pig]

Working class people never mask up?

We save that for a visit to the local petrol station or morrisons convenience store