I don't think it's necessarily the case that Nationalism would be a natural progression from the EDL. UKIP are more of a threat in that regard. The EDL are disenfranchised WWC in the main lashing out against who the mainstream media are scapegoating and who they identify as us being at war with for the last 15 years. I don't think that carries fully to white supremacism or even white separatism though. Not saying those politics shouldn't be regarded as a threat though.
AFN vs Unite the Right and NF in Dover 12/09/15
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That's why I use the term nationalism - I don't think that most of the EDL were white supremacists but the crowd that was out in Dover emerged from the EDL and are now riddled with full blown Fourteen Words propaganda (which arguably makes them less of a political threat).
UKIP are a different kind of threat - but one that has to be confronted politically not physically. Interestingly of course those trying to campaign against UKIP in Kent were threatened by the same crowd. An example of how we need to be able to defend our own politics on the streets.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
there are at most a couple of 100 far right extremists but many do not turn out continually as they have a tendency for calling far too many demos then dont get the numbers as it is expensive.
there is no leader to rally round which is having a disastrous effect on them.
they have no media friendly figure, no sympathetic outlet and are subject to negative reports about them being drunk and violent.
altho there are tenuous relations between spudfuckers like the infidels and SEA etc, there are inevitable fallouts ('egos, backstabbing' and incompetence).
the NF is being supported by SEA and other arsebugle groups with more initials than members but leader kevin bryan is useless.
they splinter continually and organise facebook 'paper' groups which disappear rapidly. (Bristol United Patriots was formerly EDL, the BDL ...etc).
However, fash fatigue can be noticable on our side, especially dover which was a 'PR triumph' for them altho few people other than antifa actually noticed given the mass demo in london.
people need to get motivated and attend. which is easier to write than do.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
bollocks. the event you recall was iirc two years or more after the 'get involved with antifa' event held at a pub on euston road at which morris beckman spoke (3/4/2005). one of the first?as ever
Antifa was the only time i knew of when working class people outnumbered middle class at its core group. This was refreshing. It operated though as a clandestine group, a gang, who had it base within the anarchist scene (i remember one of the first 'get involved with antifa' socials was held in a squat populated by posh students) and took most of its surrounding support from that scene. And even though there were familiar tensions - working class radicals vs middle class hangers on, it relied heavily on european anti-fascists living in london.
What it didn't do, for whatever reason, was organise within working class communities, or base their activity around the root cause of working class disenfranchisment and disillusionment. It went after what was left of the small, isolated and unresponsive fascist sects. And fair play for doing that.
I got asked to join london anti-fascists several times because they really didn't have anyone to build support with at that time. Maybe that has changed. Obviously the numbers have grown.
see e.g. The EDL: Things Just Get More Potty - I Intend To Escape ......................And Come Back
not to mention that it is surprising that elsewhere you mention being critical of cw's mo while here you seem to applaud it, cw being one of the founding groups of antifa, many people back in the day considering it a front for cw and the level of antifa activity by members of cw. i'm not too sure what you mean about relying on europeans living in london, certainly domestic activists heavily outnumbered our foreign comrades among the 23 antifa defendants.
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There's going to be another of these protests on Saturday 30 January, again organised by Kent NF and the South East Alliance.
Kent Anti-Racism Network have called a counter-protest: Oppose the fascists in Dover! | Facebook
Kent Anti-Racism Network have called a counter-protest: Oppose the fascists in Dover! | Facebook
Looks like there are some splits in the NF over the upcoming protest. Before the last one the NF chairman told people they were to be disciplined and there should be no Combat 18 flags. The North West Infidels had C18 flags with them and the whole thing was effectively a riot, not the disciplined march they wanted. The Kent NF organiser appears to have been removed as an admin from their national Facebook page and has been ranting about this on social media.
There's a chance this will lead to a slightly lower turnout on 30 January, but this is being pushed quite hard on social media. There is also a chance that less NF involvement may mean National Action are allowed to participate. They have a good relationship with the North West Infidels who are acting as co-organisers along with the South East Alliance. It was the NF who banned them from the last one.
There's a chance this will lead to a slightly lower turnout on 30 January, but this is being pushed quite hard on social media. There is also a chance that less NF involvement may mean National Action are allowed to participate. They have a good relationship with the North West Infidels who are acting as co-organisers along with the South East Alliance. It was the NF who banned them from the last one.
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Diane Abbot has issued a statement supporting the Kent Anti-Racism Network counter-protest, not sure if that means she's going to turn up or not. If she does and it's anything like last time she's going to have to be careful, imagine she'll be a key target for any far-right activists.
London Anti-Fascists have also put a statement out calling for an international anti-fascist mobilisation - No Nazis in Dover / Solidarity with refugees - 30 January 2016
London Anti-Fascists have also put a statement out calling for an international anti-fascist mobilisation - No Nazis in Dover / Solidarity with refugees - 30 January 2016
Looks like this is happening and National Action are mobilising for Dover. Lot of chatter on far-right social media about this, they are probably going to get a larger crowd out than last time.
Maybe - I think they surprised themselves last time with the turn out. On the plus side loads more people from the anti-fascist/pro-refugee side are talking about going. National Action aren't anything to worry about - two dozen (tops) nazi hipsters in skull masks.
Oh yeah, I think numbers are going to be up a lot more on the anti-fascist side than on the far-right side. It also looks like the Polish neo-Nazi crew are going to be allowed to attend this time (they were banned last time because it was explicitly anti-immigration and they're immigrants). That's probably 30 max extra far-right although I'd expect people who didn't make it last time to be putting in the effort to attend, so probably 200-300 far-right in total.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
The 30th deserves a thread of its own.
Why? Don't think much has changed other than a large chunk of the labour movement getting involved this time.
On that Novara interview above, think there's an error about where Paul Pitt was hiding in a ditch. I was told he crawled into a ditch shortly after leading a far-right attack on the Clapton Ultras in Southend, in Dover a month and a bit later he was hiding in the back yard of a pub, armed with a shovel. It's a credit to him he bounced back from what happened in Southend, that's the kind of thing which would deter a lot of people from engaging in further street activity.
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DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Not everyone who may may the effort are aware of the 30th. This thread is not a general Dover one but labelled with the date of the action last year.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
well spotted
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
pitt got banjoed off antifa and ended in the ditch as his mates ran off.
Thread for chastising people for not going to Dover has been started -
Give over, get your arse to Dover - 30th January 2016
Give over, get your arse to Dover - 30th January 2016
It's looking like this is going to be a huge anti-fascist mobilisation. Here's some of the articles which have come out in the past week or so -
Angry Nazis and Anti-Fascists Will Face Off in Dover on Saturday | VICE | United Kingdom
States, Nations, Borders. Bullshit! Oppose Fascists in Dover!
4 Reasons to Stand Up to Fascism in Dover
Usual caveats apply -
The Insider’s blog: Far-right prepare for Dover fight club
Angry Nazis and Anti-Fascists Will Face Off in Dover on Saturday | VICE | United Kingdom
States, Nations, Borders. Bullshit! Oppose Fascists in Dover!
4 Reasons to Stand Up to Fascism in Dover
Usual caveats apply -
The Insider’s blog: Far-right prepare for Dover fight club
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