Accelerationism

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by ska invita, Nov 15, 2015.

  1. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

  2. Dom Traynor

    Dom Traynor Tino Pai

  3. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    What makes me think what?
     
  4. Dom Traynor

    Dom Traynor Tino Pai

    That the piece you quoted is relevant to the theme you mentioned?
     
  5. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    It uses the word "acceleration", and the blog post notes that the speed of changes at global scales and across global networks is by no means uniform, or synchronized.
     
  6. Dom Traynor

    Dom Traynor Tino Pai

    Ta
     
  7. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    Been reading a few of these robot age, basic income needed books. Mainly triggered by working on a robotics automation project.

    Most are written from the perspective of wealthy Americans, but seem to end up with a prediction of things looking a lot more socialist.

    This one is a good example:

    The Economic Singularity: Artificial Intelligence and the Death of Capitalism https://g.co/kgs/0nIo3V

    "Machines will take our jobs" is a common Malthusian-style claim that keeps coming back. This book claims that it is different this time giving the example of driverless cars. Millions of people around the world are employed as drivers. A couple of million in this country alone. Driverless cars/trucks will be cheaper to manage and cost less in insurance. Much of the legal profession, accountancy and medical care will be robotised.. Etc

    I'd be interested if anyone has any countervailing material by way of contrast.
     
  8. 19force8

    19force8 For the avoidance of faith

    I've put this link up on another thread, but I think it's worth pushing again because even if you don't agree with the conclusions [knocking the hype and stressing the role of class struggle] or just don't like the source [the SWP] it's well written and cites an abundance of original research.

    Into the digital void? – International Socialism
     
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  9. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    I read the first third. I am ever surprised that Marxists still continue to go on about Marx.

    What all of this comes down to its whether the future robots will enslave/replace us on behalf of their masters, or serve and liberate us.
     
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  10. 19force8

    19force8 For the avoidance of faith

    The clue is in the name.

    Fine, you prefer the hype.
     
  11. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Maybe read the thread. You don't do that sort of thing though do you?
     
  12. mather

    mather Well-Known Member

    Well if Marx's theories and observations still hold true then why shouldn't they? Should we discard Charles Darwin because he is 'outdated' and from the 19th century?

    What nonsense! At the very most, technology can only ever create the material conditions for things to change. To actually effect change requires agency and that can only come from people, not technology.
     
  13. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    A good comparison. While most modern evolutionary biologists tip their hats to Darwin, I don't think they often quote him chapter and verse.
     
  14. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    Ooh! Did I walk into a p&p thread. Sorry guvnor. Didn't realise I was on your manor.
     
  15. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Read the thread you lazy arrogant tit.
     
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  16. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    How about you stop being a humourless sanctimonious twat?
     
  17. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Or, read the thread.
     
  18. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Oh, the humour. The humour.

    idaho, bringing the humour.
     
  19. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Life started when idaho deigned to post on the end of a thread he hadn't read.
     
  20. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

     
  21. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    You are like a playground bully. Your little pack of mates back you, but everyone else avoids you and thinks you're a weirdo.
     
  22. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Literally, i mean literally, read the thread.
     
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  23. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    I read the first page, then skimmed the others. Perhaps I have less free time than you.
     
  24. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Great stuff.
     
  25. gawkrodger

    gawkrodger Well-Known Member

    Wasn't sure where to put this, but as this thread seems to have more references to Deborah Cowen than any other - here's a good new interview with her

    Deborah Cowen
     
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  26. nuffsaid

    nuffsaid But this goes up to 11

  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    And what did you find out?
     
  28. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer


    That arrticle's pretty damned critical of accelerationism to be fair. I admit I post as someone who's likes Andy Beckett's writing/articles/books quite a lot ...

    (And as someone who needs to read both this thread more, and read about the thing more generally :oops: ).
     
  29. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    Just noticed this thread. I helped another guy (a Gordon Pask student who got me into it) try explain what cybernetics was to Nick Land sometime in the 80s.

    I can only apologise for what followed ...
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2017
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  30. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    Just came across a little thing about Nick Land, describing him (positively) as a Neoreactionary and part of the
    Dark Enlightenment - Wikipedia
    news terms to me so thought id share...part of the mindscape of the new ("alt") right
    in fact its probably better suited to a thread on that topic.
     

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