Abu Hamza found guilty

[nino_savatte]

A nitric acid soaked rag should do the job.

Wouldn't the acid eat away the fabric? Just a thought, like.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Wouldn't the acid eat away the fabric? Just a thought, like.

And the hand holding the rag.

You need a glass bottle and teat pipette to use the horrible stuff with any control.

 

[nino_savatte]

And the hand holding the rag.

You need a glass bottle and teat pipette to use the horrible stuff with any control.

It's basic chemistry - innit?

 

[marty21]

Personally I would not touch the Sun even if I were wearing industrial strength rubber gloves.

it's only made of paper, toby

 

[big footed fred]

I thought you and Tobes were not on speaking terms?
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=4127859#post4127859

I never use ignore lists. No matter how much I disagree with any point how can I maintain my position without seeing all other opinions. There is a chance that even ideas I consider bad have merit.
There is no opportunity to develop your own ideas and opinions until you know all others.
So you may still have the chance to convince me that all the left wing bullshit has some good in it. After all is it not shit that is the fertilizer for a good crop ?

Besides, in this case, Toby is right. He has done no worse than many others.
I have just seen suggestion that george bush is a kiddie molester on another thread.

 

[DarthSydodyas]

I have just seen suggestion that george bush is a kiddie molester on another thread.

The difference was I was not serious.

 

[big footed fred]

The difference was I was not serious.

Fair chance that is true but it's still on the screen. Let's face it if old george wanted to have a pop at you, he could.

Still bigger fish to fry at the moment. Or is that bigger countries to fry

 

[bluestreak]

i think the difference is that toby libelled someone on this board who wants an answer. in this case he has a moral right to answer. if you accused me of achieving something through unamed underhand methods i could probably successfully demand your banning oif you didn't back it up or apologise. whereas george bush, if he cared enougl, would just have you house bombed.

 

[DarthSydodyas]

Fair chance that is true but it's still on the screen. Let's face it if old george wanted to have a pop at you, he could.

Still bigger fish to fry at the moment. Or is that bigger countries to fry

Help me, obi-wan.

 

[Engineer]

It's true that the BNP will find it hard to push there 'marxist-mulitculturalists are eating our children' line. But it's also tue that the contrast between the two outcomes will make British Justice look even more biased against muslims than it is already perceived to be.

If the legal argument in the Griffin case is that muslims aren't a race, then obviously non-muslims aren't either. So if it's not racist to incite hatred of muslims, why is it racist to call for the killing of non-muslims? It might be utterly unacceptable etc etc, but if the conviction is for 'incitement to race hatred' then non-muslims are being considered as a race.

Mutley You are right but hamza was Charged with inciting Rcae Hatred against jews -who are ,legally, a Race.

If ,as you would no doubt like, Muslims were considred a Race for the purposes law then we could therefore prosecute all those who call for action against Non muslims - teh Koran could be banned and anyone selling it charged for distributing materials likely to cause racial hatred.

Are you sure you want to go down that route ?

 

[nino_savatte]

Ban away, the bigotted shower here can call people wankers and cunts, and aim the same comments at specified groups of people as well and you do bugger all about that. Talk about two faced.

"Bigotted shower"? Sorry, tobes, I don't follow.

 

[In Bloom]

Mutley You are right but hamza was Charged with inciting Rcae Hatred against jews -who are ,legally, a Race.

If ,as you would no doubt like, Muslims were considred a Race for the purposes law then we could therefore prosecute all those who call for action against Non muslims - teh Koran could be banned and anyone selling it charged for distributing materials likely to cause racial hatred.

Are you sure you want to go down that route ?

Exactly how would classifying Muslims as a race (a silly idea that I don't think anybody has suggested) lead to the Koran being banned?

Is this something one of those bad old Trotskyite teachers taught you?

 

[Engineer]

thats really funny 'in bloom' putting 'something those trotskyite teachers taught you ' - I just forgot to laugh. what a pointless thing to write !


if you want to ask a question feel free but I don't answer to trite posturing.

 

[gosub]

The point about Guantanamo is that people there DON'T go thru due process, with a legal defence etc as Hamza did.

Which mean that it does as much to fuel terror by discrediting any notion of Western justice as any conceivable defence.

Many there are learly innocent, as can be demonstrated from the activities of those released. For example Moazem Begg is now forefront in telling those who listen to him (which is plenty) that blowing yourself up on the tube is NOT acceptable, as there are avenues for Muslims to protest and engage politically in this country.

The people in Guantanamo should be either put on trial or released, cos that place is a running sore, the existence of which increases support for terror.

Entirely agree about the majority of people in there now and what happend to Capt. James Yee for his efforts was disgusting. Thats why it was only this week I could see a role for the place. And Abu Hamza belongs there - forget tube bombings - Abu Hamza cannot be extridited to Yemen for his involvement in Margret Whitehouse's death as he would face the death penalty, previous efforts to strip him of him nationality have failed (glad about that, nasty precident), he can't be tried here as a substantial parts of the evidence can't be admitted due to national security concerns ....but there is a case to answer and if the US feels it can put one together inside its legal framework, great but I'm not sure US federal law covers the Yemen nor is it a US state.

 

[shave]

Is that always the case? Jonathon King always denied being a kiddy-diddler, but got 50% parole....

To be fair, I actually have no idea about whether to get parole one had to decry one's crimes. It was received wisdom on my part. (At the potential wrath of hijacking a thread on baning...) Anyone know?

 

[rich!]

Is that always the case? Jonathon King always denied being a kiddy-diddler, but got 50% parole....

ISTR that you have to accept that you're guilty as far as the court and the parole board are concerned, but you can say what you like in public about it.

Mark Barnsley, for example, famously didn't accept his guilt, and therefore served a full sentence following what was most likely an unjust conviction (to say the least)

Whether King begged forgiveness in front of the parole board, and then proclaimed his innocence to the media is one of those things we May Never Know.

(Rather like the apparent/alleged discrepancy between the McNab debrief and the McNab book...)

 

[Engineer]

who is Mark Barnsley ?

 

[ViolentPanda]

who is Mark Barnsley ?

A working class white male who defended himself, his infant child and a friend from attack by a group of students, and went to prison for it.

Here's an old link.

Mark Barnsley