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Abu Hamza found guilty

So Abu Hamza is arrested and tried but what of Haroon Aswat his protege?

Oh yeah....MI6 are sheltering him just like they used to hamza. Anyone remember how they put abu in a cosy house in Northern England free of charge.

It was in the interests of national security of course :rolleyes:
 
Couldn't come in a more unfortunate week though. Just when we have a major flare-up with the Muslim world in defense of free speech...Abu H is put away for things he's said.

GS(v)
 
mutley said:
It's true that the BNP will find it hard to push there 'marxist-mulitculturalists are eating our children' line. But it's also tue that the contrast between the two outcomes will make British Justice look even more biased against muslims than it is already perceived to be.

If the legal argument in the Griffin case is that muslims aren't a race, then obviously non-muslims aren't either. So if it's not racist to incite hatred of muslims, why is it racist to call for the killing of non-muslims? It might be utterly unacceptable etc etc, but if the conviction is for 'incitement to race hatred' then non-muslims are being considered as a race.

If Abu Hamza also directed his speeches specifically against Jews, as well as non-muslims, he could fall foul of existing 'race' legislation (e.g. hamza )

Louis Mac
 
I know Long Sutton Junior School well, and Margret Whitehouse lived in the same village as my mum. I can finally grasp the "usefulness" of Guantanimo Bay, because he clearly has a case to answer and I'm very happy that the UK won't have to worry itself with death penalty extradition complaints.
The sooner the better.
 
About 60yrs total tariff - to be made concurrent = 7yrs, take off 'good behaviour' = approx 4.5yrs. Cost of the case, plus his forthcoming appeal = £millions of taxpayers' dosh. Question: Is it good VFM (value for money)?
 
FruitandNut said:
About 60yrs total tariff - to be made concurrent = 7yrs, take off 'good behaviour' = approx 4.5yrs. Cost of the case, plus his forthcoming appeal = £millions of taxpayers' dosh. Question: Is it good VFM (value for money)?

Due process.... & of course the US want him extradited as soon as he gets out of nick in the UK...
 
Jografer said:
Due process.... & of course the US want him extradited as soon as he gets out of nick in the UK...


Which as it appears probable Hamza is going to lose his British citizenship is highly likely. Lets hope Hamza is a model prisoner for the next 18 months.
 
mutley said:
If the legal argument in the Griffin case is that muslims aren't a race, then obviously non-muslims aren't either. So if it's not racist to incite hatred of muslims, why is it racist to call for the killing of non-muslims? It might be utterly unacceptable etc etc, but if the conviction is for 'incitement to race hatred' then non-muslims are being considered as a race.
Don't confuse race with racism.
 
FruitandNut said:
About 60yrs total tariff - to be made concurrent = 7yrs, take off 'good behaviour' = approx 4.5yrs. Cost of the case, plus his forthcoming appeal = £millions of taxpayers' dosh. Question: Is it good VFM (value for money)?
He will only get parole if he accepts that this conviction was justified. Not equal to good behaviour.
 
tobyjug said:
Does anyone know if he will still get his benefit paid whilst he is in jail?
No, of course he won't.

Poor old Abu does have special needs though. One of his difficulties is that he cannot wipe his own arse. Fortunately, there is a small army of volunteers to do it for him. If you would like to be put on the rota, write to John and Lindsay at: [email protected]
 
JHE said:
No, of course he won't.

Poor old Abu does have special needs though. One of his difficulties is that he cannot wipe his own arse. Fortunately, there is a small army of volunteers to do it for him. If you would like to be put on the rota, write to John and Lindsay at: [email protected]

A nitric acid soaked rag should do the job.
 
I think the reason that Griffin and Collet escaped prosecution and Hamza didn't is purely based on their knowledge of the law and how to skip along the very thin line of it.

Griffin and Collet while racist thugs, managed to steer clear of directly calling for, or telling people it was ok, to Murder. They may have slurred many people, made ridiculous claims that were meant to put fire in the bellies of the gullible.

I think they still managed to avoid saying, Kill these people, or, It is ok if you kill these people.

Hamza didn't manage to avoid that. Hence him going to prison.

For the next Hamza, it will be much more difficult, because he will avoid saying that, but like the BNP he will put fire in the bellies of the gullible, just like Hamza was doing.
 
Interestingly, one theory being mooted for why these Muslim protesters were not rounded up for inciting violence is that Labour fears losing the Muslim vote in vital constituencies.

Charles Clarke will not make the call for fear of alienating Muslims. The police force, sorry service, will not say so either since it is effectively controlled by a New Labour clique with fellow travellers such as Ian Blair in the highest places.

Jack Straw, for example, lost 12 per cent of the vote at the last election chiefly because of his support for the Iraq war. The Lib Dems' portion in his Blackburn constituency, meanwhile, was up by 12.5 per cent - likely to be because it was the only party to oppose the war.
 
shave said:
He will only get parole if he accepts that this conviction was justified. Not equal to good behaviour.


Is that always the case? Jonathon King always denied being a kiddy-diddler, but got 50% parole.... :confused:
 
tobyjug said:
Ban away, the bigotted shower here can call people wankers and cunts, and aim the same comments at specified groups of people as well and you do bugger all about that. Talk about two faced.

Maybe I'll get a ban too but toby is right in this.
You don't have to look far to find very rude comments from one poster about another or a posters opinion that a given person or group of people are whatever they are being called at the time.

I have read the thread and see little that you can say is worse than other comments made by other posters. Why is this a banning offence and the others not ?

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150296&page=5&pp=25
Originally Posted by In Bloom
Yet oddly enough, you seem quite happy to side with nobheads like rentonite, without making so much of a whisper against the horrible, biggotted generalisations he makes at every opportunity, on thread after thread.

Just one of I don't know how many examples of posters name calling others.

You could always try
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4025956&postcount=70
If you want to find a post that may see a court action.

Much as you don't like toby's politics you may agree he has done no more than many others.
 
gosub said:
I know Long Sutton Junior School well, and Margret Whitehouse lived in the same village as my mum. I can finally grasp the "usefulness" of Guantanimo Bay, because he clearly has a case to answer and I'm very happy that the UK won't have to worry itself with death penalty extradition complaints.
The sooner the better.

The point about Guantanamo is that people there DON'T go thru due process, with a legal defence etc as Hamza did.

Which mean that it does as much to fuel terror by discrediting any notion of Western justice as any conceivable defence.

Many there are learly innocent, as can be demonstrated from the activities of those released. For example Moazem Begg is now forefront in telling those who listen to him (which is plenty) that blowing yourself up on the tube is NOT acceptable, as there are avenues for Muslims to protest and engage politically in this country.

The people in Guantanamo should be either put on trial or released, cos that place is a running sore, the existence of which increases support for terror.
 
Tedix said:
From the FAQ:

"If a poster is banned, DO NOT start a thread demanding an instant, in-depth explanation: politely PM a moderator instead (although we're under no obligation whatsoever to dedicate time to answering individual requests)"

(...ie I suggest you do this by PM)
 
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