nino_savatte
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You're a fucking queer fish, "Al Kahul". I knew it wouldn't be long before you started this kind of thread. Do you know Rachamim Ben Ami by any chance?
absurd accusations of racism.
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You're a fucking queer fish, "Al Kahul". I knew it wouldn't be long before you started this kind of thread. Do you know Rachamim Ben Ami by any chance?
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FridgeMagnet
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No, I suspect that's just simply homophobic, given that a quick google indicates another chant to be "he's big, he's black, he takes it up the crack".
Well I used to Go rather often to football matches just not much in the last few years. I very much doubt that stuff has changed much
curious response -why -there are lots of sites arouns and some have moderators who ban people they don't like and some who don't since I don't know you then Its a reasonable question.
Fictionist
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I agree with what you say but the fact that the race professionals say the hanging bit must be about lynchings means it must be
Tell us a little about yourself AK, I would be very interested to know what experiences have helped shape your view of the world.
but if it were a white man then it would be fine .
When luton fans sang "he's fat he's queer he takes it up the rear" it was ok then because Elton John isn't black .
Its homophobic and certainly if we wanted to address the chant it would be about the homophobic content rather than for its non existant racism.
It reminds me of the Crap about the Lord of the rings films being racist a few years ago.
FridgeMagnet
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Er, well, it wouldn't be racist. It wouldn't be fine.
I don't see anyone dismissing the homophobic element. It can be both.When luton fans sang "he's fat he's queer he takes it up the rear" it was ok then because Elton John isn't black .
Its homophobic and certainly if we wanted to address the chant it would be about the homophobic content rather than for its non existant racism.
It reminds me of the Crap about the Lord of the rings films being racist a few years ago.
Middle class ,professionally qualified ,recently in Hong Kong and Now Thailand.
Come from North Surrey and Chelsea fan since age 8,Catholic background,Part irish,Married ,no kids,rescue dogs as a hobby.
Nothing much else really.
FridgeMagnet
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Lord knows. I'm still waiting on my paycheque from the PC Police, personally. They're very bad employers.
5t3IIa
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but if it were a white man then it would be fine .
When luton fans sang "he's fat he's queer he takes it up the rear" it was ok then because Elton John isn't black .
Its homophobic and certainly if we wanted to address the chant it would be about the homophobic content rather than for its non existant racism.
It reminds me of the Crap about the Lord of the rings films being racist a few years ago.
It's been explained how the chant is clearly racist quite a few times in this thread already. And you saying that the average football fan doesn't know about lynching is spurious as it only takes one to invent a chant.
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but if it were a white man then it would be fine .
When luton fans sang "he's fat he's queer he takes it up the rear" it was ok then because Elton John isn't black .
No reference to Elton John being 'hung from a tree' there?
it can be but while it is clearly homophobic the 'hanging from a tree' element is vastly more likely to refer to the rumour of campbell hanging himself than talk of lynchings.
Noone has yet said why it isn't referring to the rumour or that it refers to Judas of Bible fame who hanged himself after taking the 30 pieces of silver. Its just a knee jerk reaction of .
"you could read this as racist therefore it must be so".
its been posited but since it is vastly more likley that it refers to the presupposed suicide then that explanation is irrelevant.
5t3IIa
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I hazard that I'm not alone in reckoning that the top 3 of reasons for the 'hanging from a tree' are;
1. lynching
2. suicide
3. How did Judas die? Who the fuck knows?
Why can't it be both?
Too obscure, too convoluted. Common sense militates against this explanation.
nino_savatte
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It refers to his race.
Not many chants of 'he's big, he's white and shite' on the terraces is there?
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Perhaps because most people haven't a fucking clue about what happened to Judas, so it's clearly a massive red herring.
FridgeMagnet
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Football fans aren't stupid (well, no more than anyone else). I see no reason why anyone should assume they don't know what they're singing means. I'd expect pretty much anyone to be able to understand the issue, even if they didn't initially make the association.
nino_savatte
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butchersapron
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Here's the thread I was thinking of, which covers much the same ground:
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=265178
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=265178
just like the 'strange fruit' is a fucking red herring.
Its about the rumour of campbell hanging himself and you have not brought one bit of evidence to show that its not about that just assumed its 'racial' because under the puritanical need to denounce people that is so popular on teh left right now.
Racism exists and where it is real it should be challenged but trying to find it where it doesn't exist is counter productive .
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hiraethified
The remarkably similar level of obsession with these mysterious 'race professionals' is duly noted.
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hiraethified
So if regular football fans find such a chant racially offensive, they're simply wrong to do so because, err, you say so?
I go to football. I'd find such a chant offensive.
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