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Abortion law changing?

Cakes said:
Another aspect of the Abortion Law which I think is in desperate need of amendment is its application to Northern Ireland. NI has one of the harshest abortion laws in Europe allowing abortion only to save the life of the woman or for foetal abnormality or if the women has learning disabilities, and these often only occur after court appeal. In ROI abortion is completely illegal, unless to save a woman's life.

Far from preventing women from needing or indeed accessing abortions, these obstructive laws force thousands of Irish women and girls to travel to England at great financial and emotional cost.

Women can be prevented from leaving the country if it is discovered that they are seeking abortion. In 1992 there was that famous case of a 14 year old rape victim being detained. Even if Irish women are able to get to England and access abortion services, they could still face prosecution under the 1861 Offences Against the Person Act.

Here is a snippet from Thomas Buchanan of the DUP in a recent Northern Ireland Assembly debate. Can you believe this kind of language is being used in the 21st Century by politicians?

Although that [abortion] law was passed at Westminster, we give thanks to almighty God that, thus far, this Province has been spared from becoming home to such ungodly legislation, which legitimises the murder of the unborn child, on demand.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ni/?id=2007-10-22.11.1&s=abortion#g11.40
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Oh god, don't get me started...
 
While various medical terms are used as a cloak in an attempt to justify abortion, the facts remain that 600 unborn children across the United Kingdom’s hospitals are being slaughtered daily. Virtually none of those abortions are performed on women who become pregnant through rape or incest, or because the babies are unhealthy or handicapped or because those pregnancies may cause a threat to the life or health of the mother.

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As we look back, we cringe at the number of Jews who were gassed or murdered by Hitler, and rightly so, yet in today’s so-called civilised society, we witnessed 200,000 abortions across the UK last year,
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Earlier this year that religious fruitloop Anne Atkins was misusing Thought for The Day by using it as free anti-abortion airtime. It was when she compared abortion to the holocaust that I kicked the radio across the room and emailed a complaint to the BBC. I got a nice reply saying that yes, perhaps she had gone too far on this occasion :rolleyes:
 
so instead of these 200,000 terminations each year, would the anti-choice brigade rather those 200,000 babies were born to parents that didn't want them?

they're probably the same sort of people that moan about some parents not deserving kids, because they don't bring them up properly. probably the same sort of people that whine about burdens to the society.
 
Tank Girl said:
so instead of these 200,000 terminations each year, would the anti-choice brigade rather those 200,000 babies were born to parents that didn't want them?

they're probably the same sort of people that moan about some parents not deserving kids, because they don't bring them up properly. probably the same sort of people that whine about burdens to the society.
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Not forgetting the mothers on benefits, having children just so they can get a council house.

:rolleyes:
 
Tank Girl said:
so instead of these 200,000 terminations each year, would the anti-choice brigade rather those 200,000 babies were born to parents that didn't want them?

they're probably the same sort of people that moan about some parents not deserving kids, because they don't bring them up properly. probably the same sort of people that whine about burdens to the society.
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Yes, and yes. Which is why we should not be complacent about our rights (or stop protesting our lack of them - no abortion here in Ireland FFS!).
 
That is truly apalling about NI :(

I hadn't realised it was still so draconian in its attitude. Surely this is an infringement of human rights - how can it be legal (and flexible) in most of the Uk and not in NI? :confused:
 
glenquagmire said:
Little bit of good news? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7069011.stm
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Great news! Things are not only not slipping backwards... but look like they might even move forwards for the first time in 40 years.

That Nadine Dorries does get me a bit cross. I read the S&T Select Committee report and that one piece of evidence she always trots out about foetal pain didn't seem worthy of submission. However results from several large and credited reports were submitted that disagreed with her position.

I've already mentioned all the bodies which support the 24 week limit. The following also support an end to the 2 signature requirement:

The Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology
The British Medical Association
The Royal College of Nurses
The Family Planning Association
The British Pregnancy Advisory Service
Marie Stopes International

Also two thirds of the Bristish public and more than half of MPs surveyed by Marie Stopes this year.

I really hope that politicians will be guided by these facts and not the claims of the so called pro-life movement. Please send an email or letter to your MP before the Human Tissue and Embryos Bill in December. Remind them of the scientific facts on abortion and ask them to represent majority view.
 
I will email my mp asap Cakes! It's Charles Kennedy - dunno where he stands on this - he has many very backward looking constituents - Free Church and all that....
 
pennimania said:
That is truly apalling about NI :(

I hadn't realised it was still so draconian in its attitude. Surely this is an infringement of human rights - how can it be legal (and flexible) in most of the Uk and not in NI? :confused:
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Rather sensibly the EU has made this an isssue for individual govts to sort out...not a great solution, but certainly a sensibly pragmatic one...
 
People interested in "womens rights" would be better off looking at the right not to be pregnant when one clearly doesnt want to be.

Abortion is only ever going to be the lesser of 2 evils at best. Best to do what we can to avoid both. The stats dont show this happening.

Much abortion is actually a sacrifice to capitalism - poxy careers put before human life which is discarded as an inconvinience or an obstacle to the money god.

Having said all that, most anti-abortionists are flesh eating hypocrites - willing to stand up for some pre-born life but not other post born, as their double standards dictate.
 
heartof gold said:
its nothing to do with anyone else if a woman and man decide to have sex and a pregnancy occurs its a private thing and a personal decision and those who take to the streets have clearly nothing better to do its nothing to do with them would they like other people interefering in their personal decisions. The media shouldnt even give the silly people airtime.
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When the unborn reaches a point of sentience, it is not just a matter for the parents. just because a creature has no voice doesnt mean it should have no rights. That's a very dark road to take.
 
kyser_soze said:
That goes down as an urban quote of the year...
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Happens to be true though. Cant allow anything as inconvinient as a human being to get in the way of making money. Making money is the most important thing a woman can do, victory for feminism innit? er...no. Co-option of feminism by capitalism? Sounds more likely to me.
 
From a philosophical perspective, if man's moral limits are ultimately determined by his biology then abortion, by allowing people to avoid the consequences of their own actions, therefore encourages an attitude of irresponsible selfishness and moral laxity which places material convenience above that of our innate moral duty to our offspring. The present state of biological decline and overconsumption in western society might then be seen as evidence of how social policy on this issue is in error.
 
dilbert said:
From a philosophical perspective, if man's moral limits are ultimately determined by his biology then abortion, by allowing people to avoid the consequences of their own actions, therefore encourages an attitude of irresponsible selfishness and moral laxity which places material convenience above that of our innate moral duty to our offspring. The present state of biological decline and overconsumption in western society might then be seen as evidence of how social policy on this issue is in error.
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But that'd be a load of reductionist toss
 
I personally think it's far more irresponsible to bring a child into the world that isn't wanted. having a child is a lifetime responsibility and not one that should be taken lightly.
 
the report that can be downloaded from that page is excellent. Proves why abortion should be available on demand IMO. No doctors signatures - no delays
 
Just a query

Re Southampton Report

The person given as "Primary contact" - "Dr Ellie Lee" is that the same Ellie Lee that is tied up with the whole RCP / Spiked / Institute of Ideas thingie ?

If so then I'd use a less nutjob source myself
 
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