Aboriginals Face Ban on Alcohol and Porn

[chilango]

A Chinese friend of mine cant handle alcohol whatsoever - one glass makes her terribly ill, she tells me that its quite a common problem among Chinese people.

I had a drinking competition with a Chinese karaoke star in Beijing once, he was wasted after about 4 cans of Heineken and had to be carried out by his minders...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What was the 'second' world? All the communist countries? That just leaves North Korea and Cuba nowadays. Not enough to constitute a world, surely.

What about China and Vietnam? Or Belarus?

About 1.5 billion people still live in a 'communist' country.

 

[goldenecitrone]

What about China and Vietnam? Or Belarus?

About 1.5 billion people still live in a 'communist' country.

Hmm, not sure about China. I thought they were following Giddens' Third way.

 

[phildwyer]

Some people now speak of the "fourth world," meaning absolutely crap places such as Haiti, Cambodia, Chechnya and Liberia.

 

[camouflage]

Yes, I think it is possible to lack the ability to metabolise alcohol altogether.

However, this will stop you from drinking completely, won't it? So something different must be going on with Aboriginals, Lapps, Ainu etc.

The one thing they have in common is that they have historically been treated appallingly. With their cultural traditions destroyed and not in the least inclined to adopt the culture of their oppressors, is it surprising that many turned to drink.

Many homeless people find solace in alcohol, and why the fuck shouldn't they?

I'm more struck by their similarly narrow gene-pools, when compared to Eurasians and Africans.

 

[phildwyer]

Interestingly, all four "worlds" often exist in close proximity. Consder for example that the USA (first), Cuba (second), Mexico (third) and Haiti (fourth) are basically next door to each other.

 

[Fruitloop]

What about China and Vietnam? Or Belarus?

About 1.5 billion people still live in a 'communist' country.

I'm not sure these countries ever claimed to be communist countries necessarily. They just have communist governments.

 

[phildwyer]

And then in Asia we have Japan (first), China (second), Phillipines (third) and North Korea (fourth) a mere stone's throw from each other.

 

[goldenecitrone]

And then in Asia we have Japan (first), China (second), Phillipines (third) and North Korea (fourth) a mere stone's throw from each other.

North Korea have slipped down to the fourth now. There's a manager overdue a sacking.

 

[phildwyer]

I suppose you might even speak of a "fifth world," which would consist of places so horrible that no-one can even live there--the north pole, the bottom of the sea, the moon etc.

 

[camouflage]

I'm happy to call Red Indians whatever they want to be called

I'm sure there are members of the groups in question that preffer to be called all the terms that have appeared in the thread so far... except perhaps for Red Indian. Afterall, it's not like they're some sort of hive-mind or something. They probably have threads about this very subject in forums about these groups that rage on and on for pages, back and forth, frequently descending into flame-wars and accusations of selll-outism.

 

[revol68]

Interestingly, all four "worlds" often exist in close proximity. Consder for example that the USA (first), Cuba (second), Mexico (third) and Haiti (fourth) are basically next door to each other.

or consider parts of Washington DC....

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Different peoples in N America prefer different titles:

e.g. in Alaska you'd use "eskimo" across the border in Canada you'd use Inuit.

Personally rather than lumping a load of different cultures in togeteher as one exotic "other" I'd use the specific name for each people - Dine, Hopi, Squamish etc.

AS for alocohol bans on reservations - the rules tend to vary. In Alaska for example they have wet, damp and dry communities.

Spot on.

There is no homogenous group. Hopi customs are as foreign to me as they are to the average white american. What terms are politically correct are usually determined by activists, rather than the people. The people are more interested in making a living, corrupt tribal police, and other things that effect day-to-day living.

As for alcohol, it does vary between communities. Pine Ridge is dry, but that doesn't mean there isn't any alcohol--not by a long shot. It just means that the road between White Clay and Pine Ridge has one of the highest death rates from drunk driving in the country.

 

[scumbalina]

As I understood it Aboriginals aren't being banned from drinking, they're just banned from spending welfare payments on drink. Which is slightly different.

Just seen more info - looks like porn and booze are banned from aboriginal terretories altogether.

I have to say I find the enforced medical examinations for sexual abuse of all aboriginal children the most disturbing part...

 

[slaar]

Just seen more info - looks like porn and booze are banned from aboriginal terretories altogether.

I have to say I find the enforced medical examinations for sexual abuse of all aboriginal children the most disturbing part...

Indeed.

 

[Fruitloop]

How is banning porn supposed to help anyway?

 

[scumbalina]

How is banning porn supposed to help anyway?

Because when black people look at porn it turns them into nonces, I thought everyone knew that?

 

[Fruitloop]

Ah.

 

[scumbalina]

From what it looks like on Google, there's as much of a problem with white Australians abusing Aboriginal children, I'm assuming they're not going to be banned from porn and booze though

 

[TAE]

I think you underestimate how completely many of the 'First peoples of North America' (let's call them this for now - it's clumsy I know) reject *our* culture.

No, I don't.

I thought that Native Americans is what they want us to call them, because they clearly are not from India and the majority of pale faced Americans' great great grandfathers are clearly not from America.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Alcohol's already banned on native American reservations.

Not by federal law it isn't. Some reserves there have banned alcohol, but it's a local decision.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,,2108122,00.html

Well, from welfare payments anyway, they're making them conditional.

Doesn't seem like the best way to prevent child abuse and alcoholism, but it is a serious problem in an underclass that (imported) Australian society has yet to include.

Racism. Whites abuse children also, but they aren't being stopped from drinking alcohol.

We used to treat native indians that way, then we wised up a few decades ago.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Most prefer the term 'American Indian'. It's less patronising and offensive than 'native American'.

Not true. 'Native American' isn't a derogatory term.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/indian.html

Found this - too busy at work to find more.

"First nations' is a much better term.

It is safe to say that opinions very, but the tide has certainly turned against 'native American'

First nations, and 'aboriginal', are probably the first choices, but
'native american' won't get you beaten up on the reserve.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Not *totally* different. In both cases a ban on drinking exists among the aboriginal inhabitants of a land colonized by Europeans. That is a significant point of similarity in my view.

But in one instance it's self imposed; in the other, it's imposed by the colonizers.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Is there any truth to the claim that certain 'races' of people have a genetically encoded inability to metabolise alcohol properly?

Or is this self-serving neo-racist bollocks?

It's true.

 

[scumbalina]

But in one instance it's self imposed; in the other, it's imposed by the colonizers.

I think the point being look what happens to the indiginous peoples of colonised countries, it's not just Australia that has these problems

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Google has a lot on the controversy over names

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_name_controversy

Shouldnt laugh but

'Redskin' is generally frowned upon as well.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I think the point being look what happens to the indiginous peoples of colonised countries, it's not just Australia that has these problems

The specific point being discussed involved potential alcohol prohibitions on american reserves.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/7135154