Aberystwyth to Carmarthen line reopening proposed by Traws Link Cymru

Discussion in 'transport' started by editor, Jan 18, 2015.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It's certainly a bold proposal but one that would make a huge difference to the area: http://www.trawslinkcymru.org.uk/?page_id=48

  2. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Nice little vid:

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  3. davesgcr

    davesgcr Reading books

    A bit of pre-election posturing I suspect - words are free , - as a seasoned railwayman and Welshman , I can 100% say "no chance" .........the line carried about a 100 people each way in its heyday....(unless of course a special tax was raised to fund it) , this when the Welsh NHS has had budget cuts and so on.
  4. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    Plenty of more densely populated places in the country (including Wales) without a train service, can't see this ever happening.
  5. davesgcr

    davesgcr Reading books

    A sensible option would be to rebuild Afon Wen - Caernarfon - Menai Bridge (for Bangor) - bigger population quota and would link the beautiful , but slow Cambrian Coast to the much faster access to that there London and Brum / North West etc. The top NE corner of Wales......

    Often wonder what / if would have happened had the Vale of Rheidol built their planned extension from Aber to Aberaeron via Llanarth along the coast. Now that would be a great scenic ride. Had they done so , I suspect it would have like many French Rural "Lignes locale" - died in the 1930's. .......
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  6. SikhWarrioR

    SikhWarrioR And the Worms ate into his brain

    Like the now revived Welsh Highland ? anyway any Rail reopening is good especially if they use loco hauled stock or put decent sized luggage compartments on the units for bikes etc like the first gen DMUs had even the single cars And a vastly better investment than the £125bn they are gonna spunk on Great Britain's new Maginot Line the Trident replacement
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  8. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  9. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    It would be great, but even in Welsh terms there would be far better uses to which half a billion pounds could be put. Electrifying (as part of the Merseyrail network) the Borderlands route and rebuilding the Denbigh - Chester line as a part of it, for instance.
  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Depends in where you live, of course.
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  11. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    It does, and in an ideal world we could have both (and the rest of the schemes to rebuild routes that should never have been closed) - but in terms of getting people off buses and out of their cars and onto the train, quite a bit more would be achieved in North-East Wales and the Wirral than in Aberystwyth and Camarthen.
  12. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I don't see it as an either/or choice. You're certainly already better served by public transport in the Wirral than you are west of Carmarthen.
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  13. davesgcr

    davesgcr Reading books

    NIce idea , but far greater issues elsewhere in Wales , notably the Valleys where the desire to electrify and further develop the Network is somewhat buggered by the go ahead not being given yet , and the present train fleet of 142 and 143 sets lose their accessibility rating in 2020. Cost around £700 million. No derogation , no trains - period.

    All very well having aspirations , but the "day job" ought to come first. Even more so . one ought to contribute to areas where there are people. This is just political Plaid / Labour political posturing.
  14. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I can't see it happening but it would be a major boost to the areas, particularly for tourism. I'd love to travel the line.


    More: Why the West Wales Line might not be a pipedream
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  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  16. davesgcr

    davesgcr Reading books

    There are not many people around , more committed than me , for the development and operation of the Welsh railways , and I can tangibly claim some real improvements , but this really is not where any money should be spent. Plenty of other better places.
  17. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    I would have loved this when I was living in Aberystwyth and my mum was dying in Southampton and I had to travel back and forth for weeks, 6 hours each way minimum. Two buses a day from Aberystwyth to Camarthen, and the last one leaves Aber before 2pm so best not get too comfy in town...

    I'd probably move back there if this railway existed, but then so would lots of other people too. Poor Aberystwyth, I wonder if anyone in the town is kind of hoping this never gets built? :D
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  18. StoneRoad

    StoneRoad heckling from the back!

    There is a "slight" problem in Cearnarvon ... the tunnel now has a road in it, and there is another railway on part of the trackbed.

    Leaving that aside, this whole line would be a lovely ride.
    Would need a lot of investment ... but if Scotland can re-open part of the Waverly route ...
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  19. existentialist

    existentialist Apprentice bachelor

    The thing with the Waverley route is that there are enough communities of significant size along the route to make it likely to be profitable.

    The Carmarthen-Aber route winds (slowly) through pretty remote, hilly countryside that doesn't offer, as of this moment, much in the way of business.

    That said, it would be a lovely line, and - who knows? - opening up a better transport link through that part of the world might encourage more people to move to (or just stay in) the area, knowing that they could travel more easily to and from larger towns. It's not going to happen, though. Any more than anything sensible would to deal with two shiploads a day of enormous trucks trundling up and down the A477 might be done, such as running an intermodal freight service from Swansea to Pembroke Dock and back...
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  20. davesgcr

    davesgcr Reading books

    The railway north of Carmarthen was an utter basket case in the 19thC , dreamed up by a Victorians fantasy on cotton form the USA landing at Milford Haven and being transported by rail over the Plynlymmon range. Had it not been for the development of long distance milk flows in the 20thC , even less use would have been made of an utter charming line. To use the buzz word of "connectivity" Aberystwyth is very likely to get an hourly service to Shrewsbury - connecting to more services to Birmingham and London. At the south end - better and faster links from Carmarthen towards Cardiff and beyond can be done by using the scandulously underused Swansea District line - avoiding the time consuming reversal at High Street. There is , a pretty decent bus service Aberystwyth to Carmarthen - hourly.

    Whilst the Ebbw Vale racked up a million users in one year , the Vale of Glamorgan beat it's annual budget in about 3 months , - and the Waverley line clocked up over 400,000 passengers a year from one station - the Dylan Thomas haunted "milk lands" can come knowhere close to matching this.

    All these lines need ongoing subsidy in any case - not just capital cost. From experience - this quoted figure is probably way too low.
  21. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    Thought there would be a reasonable case for reconnecting Caernarfon, but the rest seems to be a bit in the realms of fantasy, and the timings aren’t an advantage over road travel.
  22. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    Actually, scratch that idea, it looks like some bellends have foolishly built a bypass over a good chunk of the formation!
  23. Plumdaff

    Plumdaff joy in people

    I suppose part of the attraction of this is getting a North South Wales train link. Does anyone know whether there's a way that could be done going up from Newport towards Shrewsbury to Aber that way?
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  24. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    There was one - Cambrian Railway. Merthyr up to Brecon, then Bulith Wells, Rhayader and up to the Shrewsbury-Newtown-Mach line.

    Quite what's left of it, and what kind of speeds you'd be able to achieve given the terrain and whether it would be a single track line, are matters for further reflection...
  25. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Builth. “As in ‘filth’”. (Sic)

    This was my introduction, from an estate agent, to mid-Wales.
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  26. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    Bloody phone!

    Builth has always been my favourite of the towns. The butcher sells the best faggots in the world's, and the Chinese takeaway will deliver a meal for 20 up onto Sennybridge training area in an old Tea packing case...
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  27. davesgcr

    davesgcr Reading books

    The most tortuous and slow route imaginable via Builth Road and Llanidloes ...an absolute basket case which though gloriously scenic , (and well recorded in it's last days) was basically a local service which actually employed more staff on a daily basis than the number of passengers carried. No real freight of any great consequence though there was a moment of glory in World War 1 when steam coal for the Grand Fleet via Grangemouth was diverted this way. Very hard work for the crews , and being wartime , the railways did not get paid for this.

    There were some efforts to run more innovative services - a 1930's , Saturday only train from Treherbet to Aberystwyth - must have been an absolute ordeal for the non car owners , but who could afford a week or so in the Biarritz of Wales.

    Even now , you could run a direct service from say Aberystwyth via Newtown to Shrewsbury - thence to Cardiff via Hereford etc in about 4 hours 20 , - BUT - as South Wales looks to Cardiff /Bristol and London - MId Wales looks to the West Midlands and beyond. (North Wales looks to Manchester , Liverpool , London etc)

    Obviously low numbers from Mid Wales to South Wales ...not enough for a billion pound railway. My expert - still working mates - agree the idea is underfunded for reality.

    However , should I be proven wrong - the first round in Aber is on me.
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  28. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Well, at least the bridge is ready to go at Carmarthen!

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  29. existentialist

    existentialist Apprentice bachelor

    And the Gwili Railway comes as far as Abergwili Junction...just a shame that, as ever, someone built a bloody bypass all over the trackbed into Carmarthen itself (and, I think, where the bridge over the river used to be, too).

    Interesting how often these railways end up under bypasses. :hmm: ;)
  30. davesgcr

    davesgcr Reading books

    Just behind the pallasade fencing is a Berlin wall of sorts , which is part of Carmarthen's much needed flood protection. The rather nice bridge beyond - before the junction for Llandeilo / Carmarthen was removed many years ago.
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