If it's this tight, how come I have met literally hundreds of people over the years who have (a) no NiNo; (b) a forged / false NiNo; (c) someone else's NiNo or (d) lots of NiNo's ...
(for fuck's sake the Tax Office even claimed I had two for years ...)
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yes but all of these involve the person ie a4e punter) being actively involved in a fraud thats only likely to benefit a4e
if someones got no NiNo then they wont get benefit unless they give a fake one - this sometimes works, often doesnt - its not about it being a little piece of plastic - its about the fact that the DWP has a database of every person whos ever signed on for benefit attached to a Nino - the databse will automatically flag up any duplicates or fakes
now theres room for fraud in this, in that as yet the revenue databse and the dwp databse cant talk to each other - so its quite commen to get away with working (and paying tax) whilst signing on, one reason theyre so keen to move people off benefits and onto tax credit, where all details come onto the revenues databse
none of this helps a4e
the way it worked as ive said - person on dole gets referred to a4e or other training provider, at this point a form (forget the official name, but was referred as a brownie by job centre cos it was brown) signed by both the client and the job centre worker is sent to the training provider - the provider is not supposed to start the client on provision until this form has been received - often the job centre will give the form to the client and tell them to bring it with them for interview
the form is on carbon paper or some such type, so a copy is retained by ES
client arrives, training plan is drawn up and signed by client - if client doesnt turn up form is sent back to job centre with fta (failed to attend written on it)
client starts on provision and at some point gets a job. Client signs off, job centre very happy, provider doesnt get paid yet.
Every month the training provider makes a claim for everyone who has got a job that month. This must include the signed training plan, the original form (the brownie), details (name, address and phone) of their new employer and a job offer letter - unless all these documents are included you dont get paid for that particular client
if that client hasnt signed off you also dont get paid and possibly start being investigated for fraud
thats how it works, on did until at least 2003, theres very little wriggle room and trust me i know this backwards including all the scams that have/havent worked in the past
now as i got out of this kind of work the likes of a4e and Reed were slowly taking over the sector in a massive way and im interested to know whether the tbh pretty secure system in place has been changed, no doubt after lobbying from the likes of Reed and a4e
way back in 2000 reed new deal were up to all kinds of dodginess in hackney, everyone knew it, including senior management in the dwp and it seemed to be being quietly ignored - which pissed off a lot of smaller organisations who lost contracts to Reed and had been plagued by aggressive and over the top auditing for years
it seems the culture has changed now that big companies are involved and the balance of power has switched from the dwp to the training providers
this is because new lab have set their stall out so much on the back of privatised social services (which is what a lot of this is) and workfare that the training providers know they can get away with murder because the government cant admit what a shoddy, expensive and thoroughly corrupt system it has created
) can possibly be anything but entirely open to fraud. Card index technology for the digital age ... 
I'm suprised they aren't sued for negligence
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