glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
Just to piss you off.
A4e censoring bloggers - new deal scandal and watching a4e both taken offline
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Shoot the messenger eh?, there is a massive deficit in the support progressive and left groups, civil society, etc, gives to those campaigning against W/R, N/Deal, etc, (some groups such as SWAN in Sheffiield gave up partly because of this), despite such changes affecting millions, until this changes, i'll keep posting criticisms.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
And as long as you keep posting in the way you do, everyone will keep ignoring your criticisms.
sadly no
but then tl, youve got the same access to blogsites, indymedia, forums etc as everyone else, so help us get the word out
The left fucking ask why there is a rise in the far right, they perhaps need to look at there in action regards The New Deal, but then there the very people imposing The New Deal and attacking The Working Class I have very little time for people who work at The DWP, unity with there own would be a start instead of being fucking lackeys of there pay masters The Government, there the same people sending people to attend A4E training scams, and when asked we are only doing there jobs.
There the people listing to the lies of A4E when people criticise, complain about there placements with them, stoping there benefits I know of people who have there JSA stooped based on lies from A4E and without question from DWP workers, Treelover is right to critical of the left and those working at The DWP, there very people implementing and upholding The New Deal and The JSA scams there attacking the very class they proclaim to be fighting for, it might be a little strong but some DWP workers are nothing but scum in my view.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
so what's you suggested plan of action when JCP say to someone signing on that they need to take that clerical job at DWP or have their JSA stopped? (as happened to me years ago btw)
shoot the mother fuckers in the face
New Deal Scanda
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Did you know that over a quarter of the DWP workforce don't even know if they have qualifications? (I wont tempt you with the other statistics on peoples confidential information)
Take the job there is not much choice is there? Once there use your own discretion and act according to what your feelings are telling you, a united workforce saying we refuse to Cary out what is being asked of us, is an act of solidarity with those claiming, through unity we build a collective class struggle movement, all utopian I know but one is an anarchist and in a circumstance of better privalge than other people on benefits, I have been known to have a full on political debate with DWP staff when they was harassing me from claiming 26 years on I still claim benefits, and this is not a conversation on the issue of class, but one about what workers and those on JSA can do to take collective united action against the likes of A4E, and I have been known to attend a A4E course with mates, and said now do you want to fuck with me? Because if you do then lets have some fun and in the meantime could you be so kind to inform The DWP said friend can not do the course as he is off sick, there are ways and means to get round the JSA, shame some DWP staff are nothing more than job worths and no better than scum..
New Deal Scanda
New Member
I think it could depend on the Jobseekers Agreement. If you have 3 types of work listed that aren't clerical or related, you don't have to take it.
New Deal Scanda
New Member
New Deal Scandal appears to be back fully active again... but I think give it a few days it will happen again.
A4e are worried about the bad news spreading. lets wait and see what happens.
A4e are worried about the bad news spreading. lets wait and see what happens.
There HQ is in Sheffield so i understand is there any truth in this?, i know where it is and it is nice and isolated, watch some person go out and re paint the place now that would be such a shame if that happend would it not
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
The news was widely publicised back at the end of June - Radio 5, The Observer/Guardian, Channel 4, I think BBC2. It's not as though the info isn't already publicly available and I can't see that you've discovered anything new, so why would your blog be any threat to A4e?
it was one specific post that was the issue, read the thread - although it seems likely that as the post wasnt just removed but the blog frozen that this was an attempt by A4e to use a petty matter as an excuse to have the blog removed
a different blog watchinga4e was also taken offline after Webs were contacted by someone, presumably A4e's lawyers, allegeding that it was defamatory
that new blog is now at blogspot - http://watchinga4e.blogspot.com/
we dont know the precise reason A4e were upset about this site because A4e havent bothered to contact the publishers of either blog, preferring to contact the hosting companies
its worrying, firstly because A4e are attempting to close down criticism on the net by using legal threats and possibly attempting to manipulate google and secondly because if corporate entities get into the habit of threatening hosting companies everytime they read something they dont like (even though it appears to have been true in New Deal Scandal's case) then the whole idea of the net as a place for free debate and information is in jeopardy
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Watching A4E is a well researched site and good piece of investigative journalism. I can't see it being pulled from blogger.
'Fraid I don't rate the other two blogs linked to from here at all.
'Fraid I don't rate the other two blogs linked to from here at all.
thats not really the point is it
New Deal Scanda
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I would pay money to publicise the pictures of that lolThere HQ is in Sheffield so i understand is there any truth in this?, i know where it is and it is nice and isolated, watch some person go out and re paint the place now that would be such a shame if that happend would it not
New Deal Scanda
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Well, those sources are more established and have briefly covered aspects on New Deal in the past. The Times I believe it was did an article in 1998 regarding fears of New Deal Fraud. What you must understand that NDS is solely a blog and NOT a native news source. A lot of content is me referring to sources... for example my blog is focused on New Deal etc. whereas these other sources are not. If you have concerns about New Deal for example, you are better to look on my blog then the off chance an article on it come up on another news source.
It depends what you mean by discovered anything new. Of course out of the one million plus participants who have been on New Deal since it started a lot are going to know about the actions of the providers. I have done New Deal before prior to this year but have only just decided to create a blog about it. So some content isn't something which could be classified as "news" but gives people an insight into the scheme and you would be surprised how many people are unaware of a lot of goings on.
What I would take credit on (for example) is being the first to pick up on:
* Providers not even having planning consent to provide the courses - one in particular has at least 5 premises without consent
* 1/3 of New Dealers not finding employment or reclaiming Jobseekers
* Advice on Jobseekers Agreement (largely forgotten how important this document is)
* List of laws (around 50+) which "Jobseekers Act 1995 (as amended)" refer to
* the Jobseekers Allowance Scandal
I think these 5 examples are a good enough start.
You are entitled to your opinion on whether you like the NDS blog or not. In a similar way I could criticise you for writing just 2 lines and having to edit your post - but I wont. Watching A4e is focusing one one provider with the occassional similar information. I think my blog has touched on many issues etc. which watching A4e hasn't and thats because watching A4e isn't designed to. These aren't two competing blogs - pretty much have the same aim but go slightly different ways about it to achieve a common aim. I regularly in email contact with the watching A4e owner - most of the time we dont agree on everything lol.
In terms of A4E attempting to develop more of a 'presence' on the web, i think we will see more of corporations doing this 'web community' thing: i came across a site called 'patients voice', thinking it was a user/health community group: nope it turns out it is run by Healthcare Landscape a medical market research and patient quality focused company!
http://www.thepatientsvoice.org/About_The_Patients_Voice.asp
http://www.thepatientsvoice.org/About_The_Patients_Voice.asp
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
^This.
Treelover, I have to say, as admirable as your underlying efforts are, slagging people off for not offering a mirror and accusing them of not finding the cause sexy enough isn't necessarily going to help.
Wouldn't it be better to say: Hey, can anyone who knows about mirrors point me and/or this blogger in the right direction, as the information is likely to be taken down soon?
Appealing for assistance, instead of pre-empting a lack of response to an appeal that hasn't been made is unduly negative and doesn't inspire any sense of warm, touchy-feely, assistance-giving vibes coming your/the blogger's way.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
innit. damned if you do damned if you don't as far as he's concerned.....a bit of positive pr might not be a bad idea tbf.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
might as well give up then 
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
But treelover, you have to take things on a case by case basis. Just because someone failed to do something years ago, doesn't mean that if you appeal for help today for something totally different that there's going to be no response or a negative response. Unless you're already being arsey with people, in which case they won't be inclined to assist.
I appreciate it must wear you down, but other people are coming across these issues for the first time when you mention them, and they haven't let you down before, but it's not exactly creating a good impression.
Anyone got any dirt on Working Links? My experience with them isn't much better. Another bunch of liars fiddling the public purse it seemed to me.
Good work on the blogs. Wish I was smart enough to do that, it's not like I don't have the time.
Good work on the blogs. Wish I was smart enough to do that, it's not like I don't have the time.
New Deal Scanda
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It is partly owned (a third) by the Government.
All I know is they lied to me, manipulated what I said and treated me like shit offering me no help whatsoever - even in respect of stuff they themselves advertised. This whole situation is a disgrace and, indeed, a scandal.
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