A Zionist war criminal personified; Halutz.

[ZAMB]

They also use the most cowardly form of attack : suicide bombers. But don't let that get in the way, will you Moono...?

Show me where a suicide bomber was used in this war? Also, Hezbollah, despite having far inferior weapons, managed to kill mostly soldiers, whereas Israel deliberately targeted civilians, UN observers, ambulances etc. And now they're talking about talks to exchange prisoners - which could have been done at the very start without bombing a whole country.

It's interesting also to see the different perspectives on the cease fire - News 24 had a representative from the Israeli army on this morning saying that they were substituting part-time soldiers for regular troops and that it could be 'weeks or months' before they withdrew from Lebanon, whereas the lead story in today's Washington Post was how the withdrawal was being held up by Hezbollah refusing to disarm [IMO they'd be nuts to trust the Israelis enough to do so while Israel still occupies Lebanon].

The fact that this was a long planned 'pretext' war with the co-operation of the US government - and that the US and UK deliberately held up any possibility of a ceasefire - leads me to believe that not just the Israelis should be tried for war crimes. http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0814/dailyUpdate.html?s=mesdu It gave the US a field trial of their bunker-buster bombs which they hope to use against Iran, after all - not to mention the other illegal weapons supplied by the US to Israel. War as a substitute for diplomacy is never necessary or moral, and should always be discouraged by the UN - isn't that what they're there for?? It's about time that the current 'axis of evil' was reined in, the US, UK and Israel, and what better way than to try them for war crimes?

 

[jæd]

That rules out Wiki as your 'source' . Next , please.

Have you actually read the talk page... Please point out where it is an invalid reference point concerning Hezbollah and suicide bombs...? And what about the articles it references...? Is the Economist also a Zionist source...?

 

[TeeJay]

Please rearrange the following;

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moono has been hoisted by his own petard?

 

[jæd]

Show me where a suicide bomber was used in this war?

I've never said this. I've just pointed out that Hezbollah has used suicide attacks in the past. My point is that Hezbollah aren't the cuddly freedom fighters...

 

[TeeJay]

...tell me how would you have the arab nations die given the choice... seeing as you dissapprove of their own choice...

They could try dying of old age or over-consumption like most of the "fattened westerners" that moono seems to despise so much. To do that they need to make peace with Israel and take control over their ultra-extremist gunmen tho', so as to avoid kicking off wars. Egypt and Jordan have managed to make peace with Israel and seem to be doing fairly well out of it. Why shouldn't Lebanon be at peace with Israel? To do that they need to take control of Hezbollah.

 

[TeeJay]

Tell me something. Does a "crowd of civilians" include squaddies and reservists in your eyes? Or do you think state sanctioned killers (who support the captivity and racist subjugation) are not legitimate targets outside of duty hours?

Since this thread is apparently about "war crimes", what does international law say about attacking civilians?

 

[ViolentPanda]

They also use the most cowardly form of attack : suicide bombers. But don't let that get in the way, will you Moono...?

Isn't that somewhat of a cultural value judgement?

 

[Jonti]

Since this thread is apparently about "war crimes", what does international law say about attacking civilians?

Sadly, it seems that a ten-to-one kill ratio of civilians to combatants is an acceptable level of "collateral damage". For Israel, anyway.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

They could try dying of old age or over-consumption like most of the "fattened westerners" that moono seems to despise so much. To do that they need to make peace with Israel and take control over their ultra-extremist gunmen tho', so as to avoid kicking off wars. Egypt and Jordan have managed to make peace with Israel and seem to be doing fairly well out of it. Why shouldn't Lebanon be at peace with Israel? To do that they need to take control of Hezbollah.

i think you;ll find that lebanon was at peace with isreal bar the isreali occupation of lebanse land and boarders in the shaba farms... which are illiegally occupied areas of the golan heights...

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_shaaba_farms.php

indeed i would suggest you read that (and obviously whinge about it's neutrality too if you want) which will give you a history of the area and the reasons why there's such a strong element of extremist elements as you put it.

Tell me why is it that you seem to think these elements grew from a void; from zero stimulus at all, the subtext to what you are saying is that arabs are insitutionaly extremist in nature... which frankly stinks as a concept if you consider it...

you might also wish to consider that whilst the name for the gaza operations is summer rains, the name of the the operation in lebanon is less ambigious... it's called operation payback... kinda revealing wouldn't you say...

 

[Andy the Don]

Since this thread is apparently about "war crimes", what does international law say about attacking civilians?

I think it states that the deliberate targeting of civilians is illegal under international law. But I think there is a grey area regarding "collateral" damage.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Since this thread is apparently about "war crimes", what does international law say about attacking civilians?

so if lebanon declair accurately that there is no military intent or action where they would target civilians as isreal states then this is ok and all fine and dandy then yeah?

judging like for like... and all that...

 

[moono]

Jaed;

I've never said this. I've just pointed out that Hezbollah has used suicide attacks in the past. My point is that Hezbollah aren't the cuddly freedom fighters...

My , my, backwards on a monocycle. You've attempted to paint Hizb'allah as CURRENT and frequent suicide bombers and failed, so far, to demonstrate that.
You've also intimated that widespread and indiscriminate slaughter by aerial bombing is somehow braver than 'cowardly' suicide bombing.

As the saying goes, 'a terrorist is someone with a bomb but no airforce '.

 

[jæd]

My , my, backwards on a monocycle. You've attempted to paint Hizb'allah as CURRENT and frequent suicide bombers and failed, so far, to demonstrate that.

Where have I said that Hezbollah have frequently used suicide bombers...? Hezbollah have used this tactic in the past and I'm under no illusions that they won't in the future...

You've also intimated that widespread and indiscriminate slaughter by aerial bombing is somehow braver than 'cowardly' suicide bombing.

As the saying goes, 'a terrorist is someone with a bomb but no airforce '.

You are such a twister of words, aren't you Mr "One point" Moono...? Where have I ever said I don't condemn the bombing of civilians...? At least the Isreali airforce can pretend they are bombing military installations...

Is suicide bombing cowardly...? Well, once you've decided to die how can you be brave...? How can you be concerned for your life...?

 

[Jonti]

At least the Isreali airforce can pretend they are bombing military installations...

To you, perhaps

 

[jæd]

To you, perhaps

Where have I ever said I don't condemn the bombing of civilians...?

Ho-hum...

 

[Jonti]

What are you on about?

You're cutting the Israelis some slack, just because they can pretend

At least the Isreali airforce can pretend they are bombing military installations...

 

[jæd]

What are you on about?

You're cutting the Israelis some slack, just because they can pretend

Post last edited by jæd : 16-08-2006 at 03:41 PM. Reason: Added roll-eyes to make the sarcasm more obvious...

 

[Jonti]

So you agree with moono and others that the widespread and indiscriminate slaughter by aerial bombing is no way braver or better than the 'cowardly' suicide bombings you have been so keen to decry.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[ZAMB]

Where have I ever said I don't condemn the bombing of civilians...? At least the Isreali airforce can pretend they are bombing military installations...

And that pretense, like the pretending that they were prepared to allow a free Palestinian state, somehow makes it OK?

While I don't condone suicide bombing, or any bombing for that matter, I can understand why people do it against Israel. It doesn't have anything to do with a few dozen virgins in Paradise, or any desire to die. It's more about people who are desperate to do something, anything, against one of the world's best armed nations - the government of which has often expressed a desire to wipe them out and steal their land.

As has been pointed out by historians, Israel is the only world power with no fixed borders, because it opportunistically tries to annex land from its neighbours, who do not have the means to fight back, and whose children are shot dead for only lifting a stone which could possibly be thrown at an army. Hezbollah, even though they have nothing like parity when it comes to weapons, represent the only real challenge to Israeli military power.