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A Woman's Place is Speaking Up in Wales

Discussion in 'Wales/Cymru' started by shygirl, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    I shared the flier BECAUSE I support the event. Not at all disingenous.

    How about you answer my question, where's the hate in the flier?[/QUOTE]
     
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  2. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    But racists, by their very definition, are a hate group. Where's the hate in A Woman's Place, you haven't given me an answer to that question.
     
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  3. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    sort out your post 571 please shygirl
    and i already answered that one, of course there wouldn't be hate in the flyer
     
  4. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    Attempts have been made to discuss this openly, back last September, but women got their venues closed down, as has happened today. It's as if actual facts about things that have happened, such as Helen Steel and the other woman at the Anarchist Book-fair, and the woman being punched in Hyde Park, when women have tried to debate or inform about our concerns, are not being heard. These thinks have happened. It's why women are keeping venues secret, we're fucking scared of being punched or screamed at.
     
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  5. 8ball

    8ball Most Ignoreable Poster 2016

    Does that "some" include you?
    What do you think happens next when free association between individuals is controlled by a central authority based on whether they are considered desirable?
     
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  6. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    central authority?? wtf?

    shygirl please sort out the mess of post 571, you're misquoting me
     
  7. 8ball

    8ball Most Ignoreable Poster 2016

    Tbf, I'm a little suspicious about the reference to 'male supporters of transactivism'.
     
  8. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    It looks like I quoted you but didn't say anything, from what i can see. What is it you want me to do, I'm confused.
     
  9. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    Do you mean post 572?
     
  10. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    you need to remove your 2 lines from before the [/QUOTE] and paste them below
    thanks
     
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  11. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    I think I cut some of your quote. Anyway, I've taken the offending piece out for the sake of peace.
     
  12. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    thank you
     
  13. 8ball

    8ball Most Ignoreable Poster 2016

    You have a point; I was making an assumption there. I suppose we could police meetings of individuals with a loose network of vigilante groups.
    Send the inquisitor round first to assess their arguments, if approved then fine. If not, then a mild punishment beating as a warning with more serious action to be taken if further association is confirmed. Could use a blockchain network to keep track of suspects without any need to centralise the organisation.
     
  14. Edie

    Edie Well-Known Member

    Don’t worry about the quoting business shygirl , just do your best.

    More importantly I think, the question she asked you ddraig is where is the hate in the adverts for the event?

    Because if there’s no hate, then what’s just happened is that trans activists have closed down this meeting using a tactic of accusing a group of hate for disagreeing with them.

    And that’s very thin ice indeed.
     
  15. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    and i said of course there wouldn't be hate in the flyer
    doesn't mean that there's not hate or bigotry in the meeting
    people i know are distressed at this meeting and people involved, it clearly very much upsets the trans community who are not included, it's not public and it's not a debate
    as far as i understand it's not just about disagreeing it's about the non inclusion and presumption of why some would transition to get access to women and girls etc etc etc
    I don't claim to fully understand it and won't be going tonight
     
  16. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    I'm looking forward to hearing the speakers tonight, but am dreading any pre-meeting confrontations with protesters. Feeling anxious and a little bit sick, tbh :(, but can't back out at this late stage.
     
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  17. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    don't be a dick, or try maybe
     
  18. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    right, going outside, offline
     
  19. 8ball

    8ball Most Ignoreable Poster 2016

    I would guess the ironing is calling. There does seem to be a lot of it.
     
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  20. weepiper

    weepiper Jock under the bed

    Is there someone else going that you can meet up with round the corner and walk in together?
     
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  21. Edie

    Edie Well-Known Member

    So they’ve been closed down because some people think there might be hate speech, and find that thought distressing.

    That’s not good enough for that level of censorship. Why can’t these women’s views be heard?

    Trans people were invited to attend, but not to speak (a mistake imo).
     
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  22. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    I'm meeting a bunch of people before-hand, thanks weepiper, so there's some safety in numbers, but the very idea of us being confronted is itself upsetting me. This from someone who fought the NF on Waterloo Bridge and helped 'steward' some Irish marches with Red Action...dew, dew, don't know what's happened to me! ;)
     
  23. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    it's duw duw fwiw
     
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  24. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    It was okay when you knew you were fighting fash, but this is so different, this is people who, for the best part, are on the left and pretty sound on other issues. You just don't expect to be shouted down by your own side, if that makes sense. That's what is so distressing, that and being called a bigot or nazi when you've spent most of your life fighting injustice and bigotry.
     
  25. shygirl

    shygirl Well-Known Member

    Shame :oops::oops:
     
  26. 8ball

    8ball Most Ignoreable Poster 2016

    geiriadur kift

    (possibly) :oops:
     
  27. Ralph Llama

    Ralph Llama Fuck the system.

    They WHAT ?!
     
  28. Ranbay

    Ranbay The same rules apply

    I'm not aloud to know the new location in case I'm the mole... apparently :rolleyes:
     
  29. Old Gergl

    Old Gergl Mountains of the antelope women

    Catching up, I see you've deleted some posts. I hope you haven't gone, because I wanted to say this:

    I don't post much, but I do read. There's a handful of posters here who keep me coming back. People with opinions I've come to really respect, with insightful observations and incisive political comments. Yourself, butchers, danny. I could count a few more off on my fingers but not many.

    This place would be much the worse without your contributions.
     
  30. MochaSoul

    MochaSoul It's being enslaved of your own free will

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