A thread of wrestling

Discussion in 'general sports' started by kained&able, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

  2. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Womens Royal Rumble now confirmed.
     
  3. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    I hope we get some legends come out the woodwork, like we sometimes get with the mens, although was none last year.

    Also hope it's a 1 min gap between each entrant, otherwise it's going to be a very long night watching rumbles!

    Main event is a no brainer, Kane takes the pinfall to Lesnar. Was hoping a Reigns Rumble win wouldn't happen as would be too obvious, but unless creative can somehow come up with a story line for him and Lesnar before WM, I'm now thinking it's their only option. Otherwise would like to see Nakumura win Rumble and set up a match with AJ.
     
  4. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Given all the Ronda Rousey Wrestlemania rumours, they could also use the Rumble to bring her in and set her up for a championship match.
     
  5. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I finally signed up to New Japan World and am watching some of the WrestleKingdom PPV live (I missed quite a few hours and have tuned in during the Tanahashi match)
     
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  6. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Watching this today. Every match has been brilliant, and I like the way it just moved on to next match pretty quickly without a load of BS inbetween, WWE need to do more.

    At 47 Jericho just had one of the best matches of his career, and well, If I'm watching NJPW (only 2nd time, Omega and Okada at Dominion 6.11 being the other) the he is doing his job.

    The hard part is keeping up with what is going on in NJPW.
     
  7. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Yeah, I loved the matches I saw and am about to watch the ones I missed.

    Apart from the exceptional quality of so many NJPW matches in recent years, what I like best about that promotion is the variety on offer - WWE has a standard match template that makes everything too samey, especially when coupled with overly scripted promos. In NJPW there are so many different sorts of matches on a card that even the long shows fly by, fun!

    I've not tried to fully keep up with that promotions programs all year before, I will give that a try now that I have a subscription. I've mostly just watched a few of the January shows in the past. I'm kinda looking forward to the challenge of keeping up with the G1 tournament!

    Also, I love Minoru Suzuki.

     
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  8. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    Aaaaaaaaaand, one botchy move sees Paige bow out for the last time. Fuck's sake. She's been back like six weeks :mad:
     
  9. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Saw that late last night. One of about only 3 decent mic workers in the women’s division as well.

    Despite what anyone may think of her as a person she’s had a turbulent past 18 months and recent interview said she’d contemplated suicide so hope she’s got the right people and support around her at the moment because this is probably the worst news out the lot.
     
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  10. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    I'm in a strange mood, so will communicate entirely in bullet points: -

    · CW champion, Amore fired for not informing the fed of a rape allegation against him. New GM to be appointed to try and distract/stabilise the rapidly sinking brand. My money/hopes on Goldust in full gimmick with a resplendent golden office. Matt Hardy, fresh from his defeat by Wyatt is also a contender.

    · Miz the most over guy on Raw after Strowman. Thrown into the back of a taxi after his historic win over Reigns to go and try to molify the very angry Manhattan Center crowd.

    · Cena puts over the Drifter as Bayley, Nakamura and Balor presumably contemplate their futures.

    · My boys, Dash and Dawson, straight from a career-defining promo last week, buried by a bunch of alcoholic/meth-head pensioners. Tripers ain't getting a pass for this.

    · Vinnie Mac relaunching the XFL with money he made from selling shares. Suddenly all those Network cuts make sense.

    · Rumble this Sunday. For the women, if Rousey is in the match she wins, if not, Asuka does. Bliss will lose the Raw belt to Jax in the coming weeks. For the men, assuming it's Reigns v Lesnar headlining Mania - and Reigns ain't winning the Rumble - it has to be a Smackdown guy. Nakamura is the obvious choice, but I've a really strong feeling it's gonna be Ziggler or Corbin. Balor winning and opting for the WWE Championship belt is a possiblity - SD is in the toilet right now and could use him, but Raw cannot afford to lose Gallows & Anderson.
     
  11. mwgdrwg

    mwgdrwg Be a Pisces. Jam.

    Nice summary. The whole thing has gone shit since the brand split.
     
  12. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    I felt the brand split was needed at the time.

    Potentially still do.

    I'd prefer one PPV a month thou, just alternate between the two and build up storylines longer and better. Part of the main problem is creative's fault, The writing is poor.

    The RAW 25th was good, but yes, more should have been done at Manhatten Center. I was sure I read the miz vs reigns was supposed to happen there.

    Miz is on fire at the moment and his matches over the past 12 months have got better and better. Would prefer him without people at ringside, he's the closest thing to Flair, since Flair. not bad for the guy that got kicked out the locker room. Easily the best heel on the roster. Apparently he will be facing Brawn at WM. However his baby is also due WrestleMania weekend!!
     
  13. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

  14. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Enjoyed the Rumble. Think they got both winners right (well that's what I predicted beforehand)

    Women's rumble was great fun with the mixture.

    Interesting to see what they do with Rousey. Can't imagine they put her in a title picture too soon, it would probably put the cat among the pigeons after how hard some of the others have worked over the past several years to get the women's division where it is.

    Who'd have thought WWE would be a torch bearer for women's rights/empowerment.
     
  15. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    The Rumble show was easily fun enough to keep me interested, and I think a lot of people presumed Rousey would be in it when the mens Rumble went on early in the show. I think one of the reasons she didnt end up actually being in the match is that since the Rock got injured doing a one off wrestlemania match, messing up the schedule for a film he was shooting, there are insurance problems when it comes to shooting films and wrestling at the same time. No idea how ready she is for pro-wrestling, will be a while till we find out. Nice to see her 'Rowdy Ronda Rousey' origins acknowledged via her Roddy Piper tribute wardrobe.

    I did laugh when the crowd chanted 'you've still got it' at Lita immediately after she nearly killed herself & several competitors with a dodgy moonsault. I was a fan of hers back when she was a full-time competitor but she shot up to the top of my list of scary moments in wrestling after the time she took a dive outside the ring and ended up landing on her head and bending in a way that I took to mean certain doom at the time. From that moment on it was hard to watch her without being scared for her so I was sort of relieved when she retired.

    It was nice to see other female stars from another era in the Rumble, I dont think some of them got enough credit for how great they were, at least not when WWE was rewriting history to fit its 'womens revolution' rhetoric. eg Molly Holly. And nice to see the Mickie James-Trish Stratus rivalry acknowledged and briefly reignited.

    I know its pretty redundant of me to go on about NXT TakeOver being great again, since I dont think there has ever been a bad TakeOver. There were a couple of matches that were not great but some others were excellent. The only match I havent watched from it so far is the main event, which I have heard described as a contender for WWE match of the year already.

    I dont think I recommend the bump onto two chairs placed back-to-back that Adam Cole took!
     
  16. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    It was also lovely to see Rey Mysterio looking great and not, err, 'overinflated'. Apparently it was a one off deal for him to appear at the Rumble but he looked so good and got such a good reaction that they are bound to want him back for more.
     
  17. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    I still need to watch NXT.

    Banks took a bad bump last night!

     
  18. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    I don't know the outcome, but looking at it I swear I've seen her take worse? It looks like she lands mostly on her shoulder/arm, rather than her head which we've seen her do more than once.

    Still wouldn't want to do it myself, mind.

    And yes, very good weekend of wrestling from WWE.

    Shows the can do it :rolleyes:
     
  19. bromley

    bromley ...isn't as good as Lewisham.

    Raw 25 was dreadful, Rumble was great. I hope that one day there will be a cruiserweight rumble!
     
  20. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist



    This looks worse than the suicide dive :eek: :eek:
     
  21. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Oh yeah I forgot to say that I bet Braun Strowman learnt a lesson. The lesson being that if you give Lesnar a hard knee to the head that he doesnt like, he will punch you hard in the side of your head. And then WWE will show slow-motion replays of the punch.

    Ouch all round.

     
  22. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Yeah, that was brutal. Strowman proper stumbled after that (rather than just collapsing into a pile of rubble, like any normal human would). Poor bastard :(
     
  23. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I'm not a big fan of real bullies in the ring and deliberately hitting your opponent. Although the one time I condoned it also involved Lesnar...

    Bob Holly could be an absolute shit to certain people in the ring, and once delivered quite a nasty beating to someone (from Tough Enough maybe) in the ring. One time he wasnt co-operating when Brock was trying to lift him for a move, he deadweighted Brock. So Brock decided fuck this and just dropped him straight on his head & neck. I dont remember if that ended Hollys career but I think it might have.

    JBL was another shithead bully, especially behind the scenes. I seem to remember a nasty incident where he mauled the Blue Meanie at a WWE ECW-themed show.
     
  24. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Brock’s a shit when he does this thou. Accidents happen. Every now and then a stiff one may happen. He needs to be a pro and not just take it back out.

    Fair play to Braun for keeping his cool. It could have kicked right off.
     
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  25. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Yeah I havent been very clear with my words - Brock is on my list of shits for this sort of thing. There are other wrestlers who sometimes lose their cool and do unprofessional things when something goes wrong, but its so much worse when you actually set out to hurt someone. Randy Orton has lost his temper and been unprofessional on several occasions if I remember correctly, including a time he punched the mat in anger and injured himself, but I dont remember him taking it out on anyone else physically.

    That Bob Holly-Lesnar story I just told might be a bit wrong. Because I just watched footage of it and its far from clear that Holly was deliberately sandbagging.

     
  26. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    I don’t think holly even had the chance to sandbag there. It all happened to quick. They did the sequence again as smack down was taped at the time but it wasn’t edited. It’s just a bad botch imo.
     
  27. bromley

    bromley ...isn't as good as Lewisham.

    Joey Styles Knocked out the goosesteeping bully JBL! :D

    The suicide dive was worse than the knee. Surprised nothing has been mentioned of the flying arse out of the ring. Incredible match but some spots weren't needed and why have it on Raw with no build up? The women's division is small, as you can see from the amount of surprised entrants in the rumble. Try and save some of the dream matches for PPV. :facepalm:
     
  28. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Dives through the ropes always scare me, as we saw with that incident your feet only have to connect a little with the ropes to throw the whole thing into dangerous territory.

    As for matches on Raw with no build-up and not saving dream matches for PPV, one of the problems with the current era is that the nature of the business is so very different now for companies like WWE. All those decades of actually having to properly promote matches to get bums on seats and sell pay-per-views dont mean much now. Vast amounts of their revenue comes from tv deals, and so they do things to chase that money, even if it gradually reduces their audience. eg 3 hour Raws, everyone knows a 2 hour show would be better but the tv station want 3 hours so we are stuck with badly paced Raws. And although the wwe network is a revenue source, they've stopped thinking of things like PPV buys. They are far more bothered by how many subscribers they can announce to their shareholders, so they do crazy stuff like offering free network trials during the period of the year (wrestlemania season) where they could arguably get more people to actually pay for the network at this time of year than at other times.
     
  29. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I remember being overjoyed when I heard that story.

    Makes me fucking sick when the WWE do one of their anti-bullying campaigns. JBL wasnt just a bully, some of his bullying was actually him doing Vince's dirty work, and that continued with him on commentary until he was eventually quietly removed some months after the story about him harming Mauro Ranallo's mental health emerged.
     
  30. bromley

    bromley ...isn't as good as Lewisham.

    Maurice Ranallo who Bas Rutten considers one of his best friends! :thumbs::p
     

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