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A thread of wrestling

Discussion in 'general sports' started by kained&able, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    lol what a surprise, he came back for one of the highest rated Raws of the year (the Raw's after the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania usually do the best ratings).

    Not sure where they will go with the storyline now that Seth Rollins hurt his knee again. Timescale for his return means he could still be back for a Wrestlemania match with Hunter but the timing will be very tight, not much wiggle room if healing takes a few weeks longer than hoped.
     
  2. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I'm looking forward to NXT next week because Nigel McGuiness is starting on commentary. He was very good when commentating the UK show so I have high hopes.
     
  3. bromley

    bromley ...isn't as good as Lewisham.

    Does anyone here follow ICW?

    Shame about Seth, but Joe delivered on what HHH wanted! :D
     
  4. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    Well, the NXT women's belt has certainly been somewhat, err, tarnished... :facepalm:
     
  5. bromley

    bromley ...isn't as good as Lewisham.

    :D
     
  6. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    I wouldn't like to be the one to tell Asuka
     
  7. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    Are people still shitting on wrestling and saying "you know it's all staged right herf derf" as if they're conveying information that hasn't been common knowledge for at least two decades already?

    Professional wrestling isn't something I follow myself, but I'm always suspicious of that kind of snobbery these days.
     
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  8. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    There will always be some people like that but I dont bump into them very often (lucky me!).

    I see that World of Sport is indeed coming back for an initial 10-episode run. Unfortunately its being run by the company that bought Impact (formerly TNA) so I have mixed feelings about the chances of a quality product. Still, I doubt it can be as badly run as TNA managed at various stages of its existence.

    The rumours that WWE has expressed an interest in purchasing Ring of Honor are somewhat worrisome. Although I would personally benefit from having RoH tape library content available on the WWE network, its not good for the talent.
     
  9. bromley

    bromley ...isn't as good as Lewisham.

    Also WWE's eye on the UK scene is a concern.
     
  10. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    All three NXT belts (well, four, if you wanna be pedantic) are being replaced tonite in an attempt to disguise the reason the existing women's belt in no longer fit for purpose :D :hmm:
     
  11. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Yeah. I fear for any UK organisations that may not realise that in some ways this will be history repeating itself in terms of how WWE ate the territories in the 1980's.

    Moves have already been made and there are some obvious ones this weekend - WWE has signed Jim Ross so that will keep him away from ITV. They've signed Drew Galloway as well.

    Austin Aries match just starting on the pre-show now.
     
  12. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    WWE UK show featuring Jim Ross & Nigel McGuinness on commentary is on the network at 8pm today I think.

    Was very sad to hear about some very severe injuries in Japan in the last month or two, a couple of which were life & career-threatening brain and spinal injuries. I think Honma's spinal injury was one of those random things and he seems to be recovering very well. But Shibatas bleed on the brain was after one of those terrible stiff headbutts and I dont think he is doing so great, kinda lucky to be alive and conscious - even fans of Japanese 'strong style' will hopefully not want to see such headbutts in future.
     
  13. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    Crowd: "TJ is a wanker, TJ is a wanker, na na na na..."
    Jim Ross: "What's this wanker thing they're talking about?"

    Good old JR :facepalm: :D
     
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  14. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Man the Bate v Dunn match on nxt takeover was especially great too, really won the crowd over bigtime.
     
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  15. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    Big changes in the wrestling world this week...

    Double J has unofficially been fired by TNA/GFW, the new owners of which seem keen to sell up - presumably to WWE. I really, REALLY anticipate Cornette's podcast tmoz.
    Redneck arsehole, JBL, is gone, with Corey Graves, Nigel McGuinness and Vic Joseph all scoring themselves whopper promotions.
    And, although we've known about it for weeks due to advance tapings, Asuka has formally surrendered the NXT women's title, ending the WWE's longest title reign for almost thirty years.
     
  16. mwgdrwg

    mwgdrwg A powerhouse of a human and cannot be silenced

    Any news on whether she's going to Smackdown or RAW?

    Would love it to be RAW, as I'm going to see it in Manchester in November, and I love Asuka!
     
  17. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Isn't she injured, hence the main reason for the title surrender.

    Not a lot excites me about WWE at the moment, Kevin Owens being about the only guy that has constantly excelled since he joined the main roster. SummerSlam main event was better than I was expecting it to be.
     
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  18. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    Personally, I'd favour Raw and I suspect the company will too. The only problem with that being that all the women she's had big takeover matches with are on Raw - all of them (Bayley, Nia, Mickey, Emma and Dana) and I'd love to see her paired with Charlotte.

    It's a small injury for which they could have probably just kept out of the ring, they just used the opportunity to move her on.
     
  19. bromley

    bromley ...isn't as good as Lewisham.

    Asuka has also surpassed Goldberg's win streak. Seems likely there will be a women's royal rumble which she will debut and win. Alternatively a match against Rousey? Glad she didn't job the title.
     
  20. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Good riddance to JBL, not just a bully in his own right (which he is) but also a bully on behalf of Vince McMahon and the toxic power games that have long been a part of working for that company.

    If WWE buy TNA it will almost certainly be just for the tape library (and the broken hardys gimmick, yay) and the promotion itself will be killed. The only reason I wouldnt want to see it die is lots of people losing jobs, but its been such a hopeless case that seem to cannot get in tune with the forms of wrestling that have thrived in recent years, or find any way to make money. So it seems kinder to let it die one of these days.

    Personally I cant quite stomach the main WWE shows often these days and prefer to lurk on the fringes with some NXT (mostly just the takeover shows and dipping my toe in the weekly stuff on fairly rare occasion to get a sense of the matches building) and things like the cruiserweight and uk tournaments. So I'm watching the Mae Young classic. I reckon it shows quite some promise but like their cruiserweight tournament suffers a little in the first round due to the presence of a few too many green wrestlers. Apparently one match even had the finish changed during the match because the person who was going to win was stinking things up too much in the ring. I believe they shot an angle with Rousey on that show which I havent seen yet, since Rousey & co were in the audience due to Shayner Baszler participating in the tournament. I forgot the details but if Im remembering at all right they have rivalry between female factions to play on with this.

    Asuka has been so great, a joy to watch most of that streak (I think I missed a few matches somewhere along the way). I always worry about how talent will do on the main roster, since these days Vince & Co can even mess up potential stars that it seems difficult to fail with, somehow they find a way.
     
  21. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Also note that WWE completely took their foot of the pedal in terms of UK efforts once it became clear the World Of Sport thing was not happening. Plus they are probably into cutting network costs again because their unrealistic hopes for quite how many millions of subscribers they would get by this stage after network launch are further proved invalid, so why spend the money doing a regular uk show when they arent feeling insecure about the uk so much now. (insecurity that stemmed from a potential rival with terrestrial tv time looming large on the horizon).
     
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  22. bromley

    bromley ...isn't as good as Lewisham.

    The thing I worry about is there's a great conveyor belt of talent coming through from NXT but where's the room for them in the main roster?
     
  23. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    I'm not sure it's dead or cancelled along with all the other network stuff, I just don't think they'd thought terribly hard about what they actually wanted. I think Triple H and Regal probably want it more than just about anything else right now - old man Vince won't know it, but it's the best they've got to counter anything coming out of Japan. I must say, I think a weekly show is too adventurous - the top talent all have deals with multiple promotions and can't commit to being fulltime WWE (despite the Internet commentators cries of "Oh, they should just be in NXT" - yeah, why the fuck would they want that?). A monthly mini-PPV style show, maybe ninety minutes-two hours long, four or five matches (much like the last UK special they did), British Strong Style plus other local guys and a few WWE guys who aren't doing much, in small venues, Tripers' people flying over between NXT tapings for the production, I can still see working - should almost pay for itself.
     
  24. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    Well, McMahon is gonna be on SD this Tuesday, and I suspect it's related to a roster shakeup - potentially a big one, as the tag and womens divisions on both brands are shot to shit. From NXT I see immediate transfers (I'm not calling them "call ups" because they are not soldiers, and they are arguably going to have a shitter time of it on Raw/SD, albeit with more money) for the Authors of Pain (I don't believe they were anywhere near this months NXT tapings), Hideo Itami (who has been jobbed out so much he no longer serves a purpose on NXT, and unless he gets a big payrise soon will surely go back to Japan) and the Iconic Duo and Ember Moon (presumably to SD, where the women's belt is currently treated as a pass-the-parcel). I've commented on Asuka previously, and still believe she is Raw-bound. I would not rule out the likes of No Way Jose, Alisteir Black and Andrade Almas moving aswell, especially if others are gonna get shit-canned.
     
  25. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    The thing is, they could make money from this if they did it right. Real UK wrestling fans don't care about pyros etc, running shows out of venues similar to the Blackpool event, they don't need to be huge, and with minimal staff to setup, fans would go and see it. Commentary could be added post production. If the matches are of a top quality then that's all that matters. Like you say, even if it's once a month, it's enough.

    WWE seem to be going on a cost cutting exercise again, which is a problem of their own making by separating up the brands again. I see why they did it, and still think it's needed.

    Network subs are down, ratings are at a low, and frankly it's because there's no decent competition. WWE are their own worst enemy.

    I'd rather still see only one PPV a month to be honest, alternating brands and actually giving storylines a chance to develop.
     
  26. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Bobby Heenan has sadly passed away.
     
  27. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

  28. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    RIP Bobby Heenan, you made my first years of watching WWF in the late 80's and early 90's so much more entertaining, I dont know if I'd even have got hooked on it at the time without your humour.

    McMahon is a fucking idiot for taking a stiff headbutt on that SmackDown show, especially in 2017 when its so much harder to plead ignorance about head injuries. And especially considering this is the year Shibata suffered bleeding on the brain and the end of his career after delivering one of his stiff headbutts in New Japan.

    Then again it is hardly a newsflash that McMahon is out of touch with the times and ignores his own rules about blood when it suits. Apparently his memory is already quite bad, and his quirks and dodgy judgements already stink up the main brand shows a lot, and really I just want this period of McMahon decline out of the way. He lost his magic touch long ago and its so much harder to think of him as a wrestling promotion genius this century than when he was driven to build an empire in the 80's and knew how to run with what talent he was gifted in the attitude era.
     
  29. Nine Bob Note

    Nine Bob Note Prickly Pollster

    Seems Global Impact Tits 'n' Arse Force are taking the Fight Network down with them. Fuckers just fired the entire LAW team :mad:
     
  30. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

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