A thread about the USA

[William of Walworth]

Yes, but this is a public forum for discussion, not a personal home address.

That really pissed me off, and I was all for Bush not winning at whatever cost as the next person, but who the hell did they think they are? That's a child's excuse that they didn't know what kind of effect that would have. Where did they get their addresses from to begin with?

Most of the people in Ohio who were voting for Bush were doing so not because of his right wing Christian antics, but because they somehow had been duped to believe his promised tax cuts would benefit their miniscule finances in the long run. It's hard to think the Guardian made any effort to see the election from their point of view. The Democratic party clearly hadn't done enough to convince them otherwise, but that's the Democratic party's fault, and the choice was theirs as private citizens.

Have I said anything otherwise?

I thought that particular Guardian campaign was utterly stupid and counterproductive ... and said so above ...

That still doesn't make me like Freepers and ultra Republican NeoCons making it their mission to howl their intolerence of anything 'liberal'/'communist' (to them, no difference) on forums like this, especially a few years ago. Parts of the discussion areas of both the BBC and Guardian sites have at times been utterly trashed by such people.

Interesting about Bush winning on economics in Ohio. A lot of the coverage here -- not just the Guardian!! -- suggested that 'values' voters, Christian voters, etc. were being persuaded to turn out more effectively than the Democrats were getting their voters/potential voters out.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Then maybe you should to see if it matches what you've said about the rest of the US?

Your New York friends must have been very polite and understanding people.

 

[phildwyer]

The Guardian probably won Ohio, and thus the Presidency, for Bush with that campaign. Makes you wonder what their *real* agenda is.

 

[catrina]

Have I said anything otherwise?

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No, I guess I got fired up being reminded of the scenario.

I just watched the Clinton interview on Fox News, has it been talked about on here yet? If not I'll post up the link, pretty impressive stuff.

 

[editor]

Your New York friends must have been very polite and understanding people.

I was *working* there most of the time actually, so I wasn't hanging on with friends all day long you know.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Hey, it's only the biggest city in the US!

It's also thousands of miles from here, and there have been other large US cities that I was more interested in visiting first. Bottom line is that I'm well familiar with the US, having visited it on a regular basis, over wide parts of the country, for at least the past three decades.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I was *working* there most of the time actually, so I wasn't hanging on with friends all day long you know.

...just long enough to rankle them with that 911 comment?

 

[catrina]

Actually, LA is bigger by 1.8 million people.

From the US Census site, LA = 9.93 million. NYC (added up by each borough) = 8.13 million.

 

[editor]

...just long enough to rankle them with that 911 comment?

Give it a fucking rest, Johnny.

 

[editor]

Actually, LA is bigger by 1.8 million people.

Errr...not according to this site

Top 50 Cities in the U.S. by Population and Rank
7/1/2005 population estimate

1. New York, N.Y. 8,143,197
2. Los Angeles, Calif. 3,844,829

Or wikipedia

New York City, New York 8,143,197
Los Angeles, California 3,844,829

Or this site

The US has nine cities with populations topping one million. New York City, with more than eight million residents, is by far the largest US city. Los Angeles, in second place, has a population of just below four million people.

 

[editor]

Bottom line is that I'm well familiar with the US, having visited it on a regular basis, over wide parts of the country, for at least the past three decades.

And you think New York is just like the rest of the US then?

 

[catrina]

Errr...not according to this site
Or wikipedia
Or this site

Well if you're counting all of New York's 5 boroughs, then you have to count all of Los Angeles county.

US census data:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06037.html

 

[editor]

Well if you're counting all of New York's 5 boroughs, then you have to count all of Los Angeles county.

Err, I simply said that New York is the US's biggest city.

And I was right.

 

[catrina]

Err, I simply said that New York is the US's biggest city.

And I was right.

Los Angeles the city would be equivalent to Manhattan the borough. They have Beverly Hills listed separately on census data, which when you're talking about LA is not separate (in the same way as Staten Island is considered New York).

There is no consistency across states in terms of nomenclature..

I have witnessed the very sign driving into Los Angeles that had written underneath 'Population: 8.9 million.' That was in 1989 though.

Edited to say: Actually, I seem to be blatantly wrong, the sign must have been for the county.

 

[editor]

Actually, I seem to be blatantly wrong, the sign must have been for the county.

Yep!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And you think New York is just like the rest of the US then?

Not just like the rest; each city and area has a different flavour, outlook etc.

However, I don't think the attitudes of New Yorkers will differ that drastically from those of Chicagoans, etc. I think that is especially the case when it comes to the topic under discussion here.

 

[editor]

However, I don't think the attitudes of New Yorkers will differ that drastically from those of Chicagoans, etc. I think that is especially the case when it comes to the topic under discussion here.

Funny how you only mention Chicago and not more distant cities like Omaha, Dallas, Phoenix, Denver, Cheyenne etc etc, isn't it?

Do you think New York's the same as those places too?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Funny how you only mention Chicago and not more distant cities like Omaha, Dallas, Phoenix, Denver, Cheyenne etc etc, isn't it?

Do you think New York's the same as those places too?

No. I don't think New York is the 'same' as any other city.

However, the similarities will be greater with large cities in the Northeast, with Chicago being the closest.

But to reiterate, when it comes to comments about 911, such as we're discussing here, it's my opinion that the reaction across the US would be pretty much the same, and that comes from my long experience with americans from all walks of life, and all areas.

Btw, I've never been to New York, but I've known a number of them, and work with a couple, in fact, so I'm not a total stranger to the attitudes of new yorkers.

 

[editor]

Btw, I've never been to New York, but I've known a number of them, and work with a couple, in fact, so I'm not a total stranger to the attitudes of new yorkers.

Me neither.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Me neither.

That's good: have we gone far enough with this then?

 

[William of Walworth]

I just watched the Clinton interview on Fox News, has it been talked about on here yet? If not I'll post up the link, pretty impressive stuff.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was another thread somewhere, but it'd be interesting to hear more information here about what was said -- is there a text transcript?

Not too hot on video links here right now ...

What do you think yourself?

 

[colacho]

I agree with that. I think the almost slavish adherence to authority you find in the UK comes from its roots as a class-bound monarchy, while the anti authoritarian attitude of the US comes from its roots in rebellion and revolution.

I think Canada falls somewhere in between.

Talk about stereotypical tripe. Here it is. And didn't Johnny miss the point? The US seems much less antiauthoritarian than the UK to me, from my experience. Just look at the way cops in the US expect, no, demand to be treated. Incredibly arrogant. And if you don't go along, guess what happens?