A suggestion to change the name of this forum to Britain and Ireland

[editor]

"Britain" is an island, which currently, when combined with some of the inshore and outlying islands, and chunk of the neihbouring large island constitute the nation of the United Kingdom. Within this nation there are 4 areas in which there are people for historical, cultural and political reasons, want their areas to become full nations outside the union.

Be a bit long as a forum title, that - and you haven't moved on to include Ireland yet!

 

[danny la rouge]

Great Britain is the archipeligo - surrounding the island of Britain.

No, Great Britain is the main island of the archipelago ("the British isles"), named in opposition to Brittany ("Little Britain").

 

[Idaho]

No, Great Britain is the main island of the archipelago ("the British isles"), named in opposition to Brittany ("Little Britain").

No-one has needed to refer to Britanny within the context of Britain, Great Britain and the British Isles for over 400 years. It's a historical footnote kept alive to amuse the told-you-so types and to sow unnecessary confusion.

 

[_float_]

No-one has needed to refer to Britanny within the context of Britain, Great Britain and the British Isles for over 400 years. It's a historical footnote kept alive to amuse the told-you-so types and to sow unnecessary confusion.

For French speakers there is a clear difference between "Bretagne" and "Grande-Bretagne".

 

[Idaho]

For French speakers there is a clear difference between "Bretagne" and "Grande-Bretagne".

Sorry - corrected:

No-one who matters has needed to refer to Britanny within the context of Britain, Great Britain and the British Isles for over 400 years. It's a historical footnote kept alive to amuse the told-you-so types and to sow unnecessary confusion

 

[danny la rouge]

No-one has needed to refer to Britanny within the context of Britain, Great Britain and the British Isles for over 400 years. It's a historical footnote kept alive to amuse the told-you-so types and to sow unnecessary confusion.

The point is that the largest island of our archipelago is called Great Britain. Together with the smaller islands around it, these are The British Isles.

Great Britain, and the scatter of islands closest to it, divides into three countries - England, Scotland and Wales.

Along with a bit of Ireland, they form the state known as the United Kingdom (full name "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland").

 

[durruti02]

I don't object to that.

What I don't get is why the thread wasn't seen in World Pol. People read world pol, don't they?

no .. we're very er insular ( boom boom )

 

[durruti02]

Who still says 'great britain' though. I prefer UK because again, it's multi-national.

I think the forum name should be legalistic, not emotive.

The UK and Ireland denotes two separate states.

Britain is not the name of any state neither is Great Britain.

Fullyplumped's point about the Scotland forum is fair, although the Wales/Cymru forum regularly has solid political threads. Most of the time the Welshies talk about politics in here it's ignored, not out of nastiness or ignorance but because most people aren't aware of what happens in Wales.

yes i used great britain because it has been the name of the big island for 2000 years .. but i would be happy with britain too ..
"Britain and Ireland politics,current affairs and news" covers all bases surely (including those in NI)

 

[Crispy]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...Q&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1

There's a nice simple diagram. The only logical choice then, is 'British Isles'

 

[durruti02]

.. don't know why there's just not a separate Ireland forum.

i think there should be a seperate ireland forum as well as what i am proposing .. actually i am suprised ther is not .. i suspect that the only ones are all in the UK .. i just donlt see borders like this .. i feel ireland is as part of my culture as they are of mine due to thousends of years of positive and negative interaction

 

[durruti02]

Who's going to post in this Irish forum? Me and cheesey?

revol68

 

[durruti02]

Why not just keep it in World politics and let ''Ireland'' or ''Eire'' or ''Southern Ireland'' in the thread title be the clue to the thread being about Ireland?

Works for me.

ditto above re pimped out arizona teenagers

 

[likesfish]

just have an irish forum for irish stuff
uk stuff goes in uk forum simples

 

[durruti02]

isnt it fair that say for example-

Scotland/Alba <- is a forum

Wales/Cymru <- is a forum

Ireland <- should be a forum

isnt it just fair at the end of the day?

yes thats fine on their own but they are general forums that do have political threads

but i am talking about linking uk/british/irish politics

 

[durruti02]

Im not sure what this 'being fair' stuff s all about, but new forums are generally created when there's a demonstrable need for them or if they make sense from a modding point of view.

In ten years or so of running this board I don't think anyone's ever asked for an 'Ireland' forum and the politics sections have hardly been over run with Irish matters, so I'm not really feeling the need.

If it kicks off big time in the NI maybe that would change but right now I can't see any reason for things to change.

hi ed .. my interest is in how things are going to kick off re the economic crisis .. i think e.g. that when we see a forum about a general strike in ireland it should not be in the world forum as if ireland is a million miles away from the uk/great britain .. we have far more politically in common than ireland has with the rest of the world

i don't think it would also hurt having a general ireland forum .. as we have a wales and scottish forum .. though as i say my interest is in uniting irish and uk politics at the moment ..

 

[durruti02]

No, Great Britain is the main island of the archipelago ("the British isles"), named in opposition to Brittany ("Little Britain").

damn you

"British Isles and Ireland politics, current affairs and news"

surely no one can object to that??

 

[durruti02]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...Q&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1

There's a nice simple diagram. The only logical choice then, is 'British Isles'

i agree that geographically "the British Isles" includes Ireland .. politically however it is NOT regarded as doing so hence the need for "the British Isles and Ireland" ..

 

[hipipol]

damn you

"British Isles and Ireland politics, current affairs and news"

surely no one can object to that??

I do

I dont want to lumped in with Ireland

Its like Iceland, only futher south!!!!

 

[danny la rouge]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...Q&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1

There's a nice simple diagram. The only logical choice then, is 'British Isles'

The diagram is quite good, in that it correctly shows a lot of the relationships, and that some of the minor islands are in the UK but are not "Great Britain", however it might give the impression that England, Scotland and Wales are subdivisions of the main island only, so that one might draw the inference that Skye, for example, is in the UK but is not part of Scotland, iyswim.

 

[durruti02]

I do

I dont want to lumped in with Ireland

Its like Iceland, only futher south!!!!

be lumped

 

[danny la rouge]

damn you

"British Isles and Ireland politics, current affairs and news"

surely no one can object to that??

The United Kingdom and Ireland. Simples.

Like it or not, those are the sovereign states involved. (Or, if you want to be pedantic*: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. ).



* And I clearly do.

 

[hipipol]

What about

Wester Islands News?

 

[durruti02]

The United Kingdom and Ireland. Simples.

Like it or not, those are the sovereign states involved. (Or, if you want to be pedantic*: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. ).



* And I clearly do.

you see i wanted to have it as NON states but geographical as to me that is what matters .. but i am happy to compromise .. poll?

 

[Idaho]

The point is that the largest island of our archipelago is called Great Britain. Together with the smaller islands around it, these are The British Isles.

Great Britain, and the scatter of islands closest to it, divides into three countries - England, Scotland and Wales.

Along with a bit of Ireland, they form the state known as the United Kingdom (full name "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland").

I thought that the Britsh Isles included the whole archipeligo?

 

[danny la rouge]

you see i wanted to have it as NON states but geographical as to me that is what matters

That works, too.

I just want the facts to be correct.

 

[_float_]

...it correctly shows a lot of the relationships, and that some of the minor islands are in the UK but are not "Great Britain"...

The only "minor islands" on that diagram - The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands - are shown as being *not* in the UK.

 

[N_igma]

revol68

He's about as Irish as the Queen Mother's labia.

 

[danny la rouge]

The only "minor islands" on that diagram - The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands - are shown as being *not* in the UK.

Look at the big circle.

 

[danny la rouge]

I thought that the Britsh Isles included the whole archipeligo?

The British Isles is the name of the archipelago. Great Britain is the name of the biggest island.

 

[Idaho]

The British Isles is the name of the archipelago. Great Britain is the name of the biggest island.

Why don't we have the British Isles as all the islands, Britain as mainland Great Britain and Great Britain as Britain plus immediate/proximate islands - Skye/Wight, etc. That would be sensible.