A suggestion to change the name of this forum to Britain and Ireland
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Are you on another landmass?
Nope, i'm working till 3
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
What if you're not on the islands at the time - if you're say an american?
what are you meant to call them then?
dennisr
the acceptable face
What if you're not on the islands at the time - if you're say an american?
what are you meant to call them then?
"those islands" ?
Idaho
continuity character
Yeah - you posted up some dodgy map that didn't have the word 'Britain' on it
I don't think of myself as British either. I think of myself as *name* however, being on this island does by definition make me British. As to whether I attach any significance to this - not really is the answer.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
I vaguely remember that thread! I was really arguing with ernestolynch, iirc. I've a feeling my point was to do with the arbitrariness of borders, but it's all a bit hazy now.Yeah - you posted up some dodgy map that didn't have the word 'Britain' on it
danny la rouge
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dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
The haziness, or the fact that I was arguing with ernie?That probably excuses anything up to murder
dennisr
the acceptable face
I think "Britain and Ireland" or "UK and Ireland" would be a good enough name - we can argue the toss over the implications of the forums name within the forum
It recognises the strong linked histories and common thread of political debate and organisation across the Isles
It recognises the strong linked histories and common thread of political debate and organisation across the Isles
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Surely Scotland, Wales, Ireland and the Occupied Territories would be suitable to all right minded people?
That would have Zachor frothing at the mouth.
dennisr
the acceptable face
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Quite right, too. We Celts were here millennia ago, the place you call Surrey was all swamp before we drained it, and anyway you guys all came rushing in when we settled it and said you were here all along!
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
UK and Ireland should be used. 'Britain' conjures up unitary national/cultural connotations, whereas UK can mean a multi-national state whose members can eventually break free.
Although if we ever discuss the politics of the Isle of Man that might have implications, they aren't part of the UK or Ireland!
Although if we ever discuss the politics of the Isle of Man that might have implications, they aren't part of the UK or Ireland!
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
"Kingdom"?
Fedayn
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Fedayn
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Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Great Britain, please, if you want to go down that road.
But going down that road is the primrose path to pedantry, because what about the islands in the United Kingdom that aren't part of the land mass of Great Britain? What about.... people from the province where they invented whataboutery?
Why not just keep it as the UK, and set up a distinct group for Ireland? Nobody will use it of course, but it'll be nice for them to know it's there if it's needed.
But going down that road is the primrose path to pedantry, because what about the islands in the United Kingdom that aren't part of the land mass of Great Britain? What about.... people from the province where they invented whataboutery?
Why not just keep it as the UK, and set up a distinct group for Ireland? Nobody will use it of course, but it'll be nice for them to know it's there if it's needed.
er danny .. which is why i am suggestting the name changeEveryone, apparently.
But where else to put it? Clearly not in the UK P&P forum. Not even Ian Paisley would do that!
i prefer doing away with the UK .. on all sorts of grounds .. Briatin and Ireland is really simple .. and yes we do have a united historyI think "Britain and Ireland" or "UK and Ireland" would be a good enough name - we can argue the toss over the implications of the forums name within the forum
It recognises the strong linked histories and common thread of political debate and organisation across the Isles
give over
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Another point in favour of renaming it United Kingdom and Ireland is that an awful lot of the discussion is about the work of the UK parliament and the UK government and the policies of UK parties which apply to all parts of the UK.
When we talk about welfare reform, as we do, or the banking system, as we do, or immigration, as we interminably do, we are talking about policies that apply in all parts of the UK, albeit with a different administrative system in N Ireland. It will mean very little to residents of Cork or Dublin. To refer exclusively to "Britain" or "Great Britain" is to exclude from consideration over a million and a half fellow citizens who we should warmly embrace and not put out into the cold.
When we talk about welfare reform, as we do, or the banking system, as we do, or immigration, as we interminably do, we are talking about policies that apply in all parts of the UK, albeit with a different administrative system in N Ireland. It will mean very little to residents of Cork or Dublin. To refer exclusively to "Britain" or "Great Britain" is to exclude from consideration over a million and a half fellow citizens who we should warmly embrace and not put out into the cold.
yes but at the moment the 'residents of cork and dublin' are sandwiched between madagascar, pakistan and pimped out arizona teenagers!
ireland has more in common with great britain than any other country
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
united kingdom also means northern ireland whereas britain is just england, wales and scotland - so britain and ireland for me
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Yes, but the UK and the RoI are completely different countries with completely different governments, politics, current affairs, media, and lots else. NI is incredibly integrated into that, whether some people like it or not. The more I think of it, there should be a separate Ireland forum, and people could decide whether Ireland should mean the island or the 26 county republic.
The United Kingdom forum should be inclusive of Northern Ireland, and people would decide for themselves if they wanted to to bother posting in an exclusively Ireland forum.
Chances are it would be like the Scotland one, in which a tiny number of people post only about golf clubs, getting somewhere to stay during the Edinburgh festival, and what is the nicest curry house in Aiberdeen, and the like. The most interesting discussion recently has been about the history of the presbyterian churches.
The worst outcome would be one in which British people from NI felt excluded from the putative Great Britain forum, and British and Irish people in the "Great Britain" forum felt constrained from taking about NI stuff or UK stuff that included NI stuff.
I have to say I've seen this among (usually English) lefties in real life, not including people from NI in discussions because they thought they ought to think of themselves as Irish, even if they didn't.
Joining a Mayday march in Belfast could be useful in curing people of that way of thinking, by the way!
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
I don't object to that.er danny .. which is why i am suggestting the name change
What I don't get is why the thread wasn't seen in World Pol. People read world pol, don't they?
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