Spion
I hear ya
How do you get that from anything I've said? Back that statement up or apologise please
A RW wing article that sums up the UK economy perfectly?
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poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
It's worse than a joke. Their constant right-dressed-as-left sneering is going to lead to a political catastrophe before long - as those being arrogantly elbowed aside by the left continue to head to the far-right.
Spion
I hear ya
Oh, the irony
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Sorry, that's what I meant, I phrased that a little badly.
The point here is, I think, that Thatcherite right-wingers here are being disingenuous - the implication is that the colour of the party is to blame rather than the economic system.
I'll take whinging about the economy and how it effects the poor from any anarchist or socialist you care to mention, but from a capitalist? Fuck no. These people want life to be cheaper, so do we all. But I don't want it made cheaper for the rich by the continued cutting of welfare, education, health, housing etc etc.
Spion
I hear ya
I apologise. I didn't realise this was literally happening
LOL
Poster, you're a nutter, pal
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Change is NOT going to come through parliament any time soon. The shitty situation that the poor are in, in this country, will not be changed by any of the parties. Politicians of all shades will make soothing noises, empty promises, but capitalism relies on growth, and growth only comes from people working harder for less money and paying more money for less goods. Address the constant search for growth and you'll address the problems of poverty.
Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
I do agree with him on credit card fees on tickets a total fucking ripoff, which should be investigated by the OFT. But you do not have to drive your car into town & you do not have to buy coffee from Startbucks neither do you have spend to over £100 on a Chinese meal.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Yup.
dennisr
the acceptable face
Thats right TL I am a very privileged individual - I dont have any of the concerns of the poor huddled mases.. (this is the point where I add a smilie with eyes looking up into the sky) or maybe you could read what I ACTUALLY said. What planet do you think I live on mate?
You have misunderstood me - I do think there is a looming catastrophe... I am one of those who has been pointing out the limitations of previous capitalist triumphalism
I simply find it interesting how the previously confident purveyors of 'endless development' seem to be loosing the plot a bit - from complete overconfidence to the opposite...
dennisr
the acceptable face
No, teeelover! that's just a capitalist rightwing lie! The poor have never been better off and they support price rises on everything!
Fuck me - just look what passes for the left in the UK now comes out with. Look what disatrous effects they now line up and support. Look how the rightwing dictates their entire agenda with such facile ease ("the rigthwing papers are agaisnt it, so I'm for it - without bothering to think it all through" mentality).
Christ!
dicksplash - read the original post - you are a bit of a cunt
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'd go as far as to say we may now have reached the point, in terms of interest and of power, where Parliament can't bring about change, because the parties have become so thoroughly integrated with and beholden to capital.
Voting in one party over another has just become a way of getting the same shit from a different arsehole.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
True, but different systems of representation allow a differing amount of influence to be wielded by the electorate through mechanisms like recall motions, plebiscites etc (neither of which the UK system allow, btw).
no, but most people have to pay for gas and electric, food, petrol, council tax etc etc.
The rate at which prices are rising is quite incredible. I saw a report in a paper recently (can't remember which one) where they compared prices in all the major supermarkets over the last year and the price rises were unbelievable - easily approaching 10% or so - more on some items.
The rate at which prices are rising is quite incredible. I saw a report in a paper recently (can't remember which one) where they compared prices in all the major supermarkets over the last year and the price rises were unbelievable - easily approaching 10% or so - more on some items.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
What's your solution gunner?
dennisr
the acceptable face
no problem - I was going to say 'given those at the bottom' include my own family (the building trade is one of those things that tends to go through the floor at times like this - as my old man os about to witness again) but I suppose its all relative (we are all probably 'among the priviledged' - even that fella poster -if you look at the rest of the plant)
All "commentators" have a reason to talk up a story. Whats more interesting and likely to get them back on the tv or in print...? "Well, there might be a recession, but lets not jump to conclusions, and think things through logically" or "DOOM...! YE ARE ALL *DOOMED* I TELL YE...!"
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
What on earth is "right wing" about that article or the perspective from which it was written?
dennisr
the acceptable face
All "commentators" have a reason to talk up a story. Whats more interesting and likely to get them back on the tv or in print...? "Well, there might be a recession, but lets not jump to conclusions, and think things through logically" or "DOOM...! YE ARE ALL *DOOMED* I TELL YE...!"
All true
I do love the way they begin to act like lemmings throwing themselves of cliffs *
And part of that is how the initial shock horror story becomes a pattern to be repeated by every other unoriginal 'commentator'.
I was thinking of some of the serious business commentators though - who may well have other reasons for playing up a crisis (some of them made a lot of money out of the last - and imo smaller - economic 'hiccup') but are taken seriously. I also wonder how that sudden loss of confidence can itself begin to impact on the 'real world'.
*that may be an unfair slur on lemmings who don't apparently do that - but - for hyperbole purposes...
_angel_
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Yes things are more expensive in the UK because we seem to be a) ripe from greedy utility companies etc and b) the government stealth taxes instead of rising income taxes for those who can truly afford it (something I notice ignored in that article)
On the other hand, no one has to drive a car in London if they're not disabled / got loads of babies. No one has to buy starbucks rip off coffee or eat in rip off restaurants. I'm aware London is pricy, but there are still places to buy things cheaper than that.
Questioning credit card charges, rising utility bills, why cars etc are cheaper on the continent is fair enough though.
The only things that have got cheaper are clothes (sweat shops
) and electrical goods.
Food, fuel, energy, housing have all shot up.
On the other hand, no one has to drive a car in London if they're not disabled / got loads of babies. No one has to buy starbucks rip off coffee or eat in rip off restaurants. I'm aware London is pricy, but there are still places to buy things cheaper than that.
Questioning credit card charges, rising utility bills, why cars etc are cheaper on the continent is fair enough though.
The only things that have got cheaper are clothes (sweat shops
) and electrical goods.Food, fuel, energy, housing have all shot up.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
It was in the Times. Dur!
I'm right wing ish but I never unerstand why no government doesn't increase income tax at the very top levels - say on earnings over £150k per annum. Those people could afford a bit more. But tax rises always hit the average earner. Couple that with council tax and fuel increases and the Labout govt had had it in my view.
My house is empy all day long and I only turn the gas on to cook and heat the house in the evenings, weekends and for an hour in the morning. My gas bill last quarter was £220 and my electric £200.
My house is empy all day long and I only turn the gas on to cook and heat the house in the evenings, weekends and for an hour in the morning. My gas bill last quarter was £220 and my electric £200.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Whilst wages (and benefits) have stayed at the same low rate. Hence I'm always fucking broke sooner and sooner before the end of the month.
Age of prosperity, was this? For whom? Pffffff
I think that may be because everything else has gone up lol
i doubt things are going to improve. We're now a country obsessed with recycling while there are people too skint to eat properly and heat their houses. My council has just cut the number of recycling bags it gives out - does it think I'll now buy black and pink ones??? I think not.
It swapped a number of pink ones for a new one for textiles that looks exactly the same colour as the garden sacks - maybe ill put grass in it.
i doubt things are going to improve. We're now a country obsessed with recycling while there are people too skint to eat properly and heat their houses. My council has just cut the number of recycling bags it gives out - does it think I'll now buy black and pink ones??? I think not.
It swapped a number of pink ones for a new one for textiles that looks exactly the same colour as the garden sacks - maybe ill put grass in it.
Whilst wages (and benefits) have stayed at the same low rate. Hence I'm always fucking broke sooner and sooner before the end of the month.
Age of prosperity, was this? For whom? Pffffff
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Age of prosperity, was this? For whom? Pffffff
The rich, fool!
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Oh, you will when they eventually bring in fines for not using the correct bags, don't you worry.
And the mock-left will stand there smugly approving and telling us it's all for our own good. And that, anyway, we're not reeeaaallly poor compared to someone in Haiti or something.
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