A really good club in London, please???

[Kameron]

I think that Gorski should try the Cobden Club though where his views on electronic music are sometimes shared by the British Arts Council patronage thought mostly they are lovely people.

 

[gorski]

1) Electronic music is pretty much the musical bastion of anti-establishment sentiment... took over from punk, and nothing's taken over from it yet.

It's far too big a scene to discuss in those terms anyway, huge range of genres and styles and millions upon millions of different tracks.

1) How so? Nothing musically or lyrically in it, so...???

2) OK, so, since you have a good overview, give us at least the "meaning of it all"? I, for the life of me, can't see a single darn thing in it worth mentioning - but since you do, can you explain, please and then give us some good examples of and how does it deserve the worthy title of "anti-establishment" cult status and its "achievements"?? I mean, of "electronica" today?

I didn't exactly attack you personally, did I? That's a disappointment, right there... I thought that at least some might kleep their dignity intact and keep being themselves, rather than take the cloak of the herd-mentality and demean themselves like that after keeping their cool and not allowing for this strong conformist nonsense [and fear of being "perceived" of being different and critically minded] to take over...

 

[gorski]

Yours

everyone ever

And you have the audacity to call me presumptuous and arrogant, you pillock!? Trying so hard to be a member of the herd... How stupid and poor, wortless and weak is that?

 

[tarannau]

But that is the point here, as he was told by Dizzy to start STUDYING the harmony, that he MUST LEARN TO PLAY AT LEAST ONE HARMONIC INSTRUMENT, TO KNOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON, you dumbo!!!

And here endeth the lesson!

And, what tells you that some of the artists making the most crashing, bass heavy 'anvil' music don't play at least one harmonic instrument? There a re loads of good examples - Techstep's once-wonderboy John B was a student at the RCM for example.

Jesus. This is like trying to reason with a particularly stupid and stubborn pebble. Through a translator.

 

[Dubversion]

i think we need to consign gorski to the dustbin marked 'initially amusing but ultimately a shocking pain in the arse'



and i'll keep my many recommendations for the kind of clubs he's looking for to myself - i wouldn't want him showing up at any of them and telling the people having fun there that they weren't dancing in a sufficiently anti-establishment manner.

Good to know that all those old smooth jazz and funk artists were statue-toppling revolutionaries who donated all their royalties to the Panthers and the Red Army Faction, rather than spunking it all away on coke and hookers

 

[gorski]

Yes, Kameron, I agree. If you disagree with me and you don't want to hear anything that might not correspond to your own views - put me on your ignore list.

Not that I will lose sleep over it.

Not that one will gain anything with an action of that sort, either, similarly to when one is just personally attacking and never actually using one's Reason to improve oneself...

 

[Orang Utan]

Such A Fanny

 

[gorski]

And, what tells you that some of the artists making the most crashing, bass heavy 'anvil' music don't play at least one harmonic instrument? There a re loads of good examples - Techstep's once-wonderboy John B was a student at the RCM for example.

Jesus. This is like trying to reason with a particularly stupid and stubborn pebble. Through a translator.

You avoided the point rather clumsily, which makes you super silly now!!

I don't know the person you mentioned and can't judge if he was either any good or if he went there for easy money or because of another reason I don't find particularly appealing... So, I can't judge about his particular worthiness and his reasons etc.

Either way, again you're showing us you have nothing in common with Reason and Thinking! Deffo not methodically, strictly and carefully but in a "post-modern", rhapsodic manner, rather jumping to conclusions with 7 mile boots. Hence, who gives a fuck what you think, squire...

Equally, if you think I talk rubbish - wtf are you doing in this thread?!? Did I invite in the header people with a chip on their shoulder? I can't recall it, you know...

 

[Dubversion]

It's been a while..

Yes, Kameron, I agree. If you disagree with me and you don't want to hear anything that might not correspond to your own views - put me on your ignore list.

Not that I will lose sleep over it.

Not that one will gain anything with an action of that sort, either, similarly to when one is just personally attacking and never actually using one's Reason to improve oneself...

 

[Dubversion]

wtf are you doing in this thread?!? Did I invite in the header people with a chip on their shoulder? I can't recall it, you know...

i imagine tarranau, like most of us, arrived on this thread with good intentions, ie to answer your request for a club to your tastes. What we got was a babbling gimp of the most irritating kind, for whom the gulf between their perception of their own intellect and its actual magnitude (and expression) was breathtakingly immense.

Or to put it another way:

fuck me, but you're a dappy cunt

 

[gorski]

i think we need to consign gorski to the dustbin marked 'initially amusing but ultimately a shocking pain in the arse'

Not really: I didn't attack any of you personally - you did it all by YOURSLEVES, so if anyone is an ARSE it's those who started the personal abuse, in their eternal wisdom, immaturity and sillyness, not to mention powerlessness.

I understand that the whole world is to be blamed then but it really is too silly for words if one is not capable of seeing that poor behaviour on your part...

 

[Dubversion]

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

I like lots of different types of music - I wouldn't dismiss anything without trying to understand it first. Gorski, i think you are being deliberately obtuse here, i don't know, are you a troll? Please don't take offence if you aren't.

PS. Your own music ain't too bad.

 

[gorski]

fuck me, but you're a dappy cunt

Nope, this is YOUR picture, nowt to do with me, I didn't attack you, as I am NOT the same as music I like. You seem to have identified yourself with your particular music taste and can't distinguish between yourself and some music style, so feel personally attacked... Oh, well... Another Zweistein...

 

[citydreams]

and i'll keep my many recommendations for the kind of clubs he's looking for to myself - i wouldn't want him showing up at any of them and telling the people having fun there that they weren't dancing in a sufficiently anti-establishment manner.

*walks away whistling*

 

[Dubversion]

Nope, this is YOUR picture, nowt to do with me, I didn't attack you, as I am NOT the same as music I like. You seem to have identified yourself with your particular music taste and can't distinguish between yourself and some music style, so feel personally attacked... Oh, well... Another Zweistein...

no, no dearest. I have a vast range of music, which doubtless incorporates artists and styles you hold dear as well as stuff you brush to one side with meaningless and ill-informed generalisations. I guess that's because I'm fairly open-minded and curious, and you're a gibbering spunkbucket

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

*walks away whistling*

you could whistle to this instead like. It's quite anti establishment.

 

[gorski]

I like lots of different types of music - I wouldn't dismiss anything without trying to understand it first. Gorski, i think you are being deliberately obtuse here, i don't know, are you a troll? Please don't take offence if you aren't.

PS. You own music ain't too bad.

Thank you kindly for the PS!

I did show I did try and I did understand it, at least I did value certain beginnings of this type of music - but then drew the line soemwhere and isntead of debating that with me almost all chose to attack me instead of dealing with the issues I raqised. When someone tried a bit - it ended badly for them...

No, I am not a troll! I just did what I explained I did, in my naivety that people can distinguish between issues and themselves and can talk about the issues but oh no... Always more "fun" to be personal... No effort required like that, hence most people would do that... Ergo, I'll take that one on my own shoulders...

Not being deliberately obtuse, just honest. And being honest, I really can't see much individualism in this thread - quite the contrary... To me this is shocking!

 

[Dubversion]

( ^^^ shocked at how shocked you are)

 

[Dubversion]

( ^^^ shocked at how shocked you are)

 

[Dubversion]

so shocked i posted twice

 

[gorski]

no, no dearest. I have a vast range of music, which doubtless incorporates artists and styles you hold dear as well as stuff you brush to one side with meaningless and ill-informed generalisations. I guess that's because I'm fairly open-minded and curious, and you're a gibbering spunkbucket

Oh, no, you don't! They don't come more curious and open minded than me!

But I also, after I study a subject, I DO HAVE SOME CRITICALLY BUILT CRITERIA AND I AM NOT AFRAID TO ARGUE THEM, UNLIKE YOU, you twat! You argued fuck all here, just came to be idiotically abusive! So, f off, "dearest"...

 

[Dubversion]

ah, you've STUDIED modern electronic music. Care to expand?

 

[ChrisFilter]

But you clearly haven't studied electronic music in the slightest... you've just made some very snap judgements based on stuff you seem only to have overheard in passing.

Funky house, for example, is often worthy of your ire. If you've only ever heard electronic music in this guise whilst bemoaning the lack of real ale in what used to be a lovely old pub now ruined by young'uns, then I'd understand you taking a dislike. The problem comes when you use this very limited experience, and start making narrow-minded snap judgements based on what amounts to fuck all. That's what people have taken issue with.

 

[gorski]

The stuff I have, that I want to do with my own band, is not published anywhere - yet. For a reason!

The stuff Boris found [not cool to put it there, btw, as totally out of context of the discussion, so it gives a totally wrong impression!] I mostly made when I was very young. And I do want that published, too. That's all a part of me. That's pop, yeah.

But I made some music later which is what I'd really like to do and has a number of influences, from "world" and Latin, to James Brown and Stevie Wonder, Frank Zappa, even punk and onwards...

But that's another story. We were, if you recall, talking about the stuff to dance to, that has melody and harmony, some cool lyrics, good groove and not just the rhythm and some noises - IF YOU WANNA GO OUT TO DANCE!!! THAT WAS THE POINT!! And as pop goes I don't have anything to be ashamed of...

When I'm ready to do my stuff - that will be out, too...

 

[Dubversion]

so tell me about your studies of electronic music, gorski, i'm intrigued.

 

[gorski]

But you clearly haven't studied electronic music in the slightest... you've just made some very snap judgements based on stuff you seem only to have overheard in passing.

Funky house, for example, is often worthy of your ire. If you've only ever heard electronic music in this guise whilst bemoaning the lack of real ale in what used to be a lovely old pub now ruined by young'uns, then I'd understand you taking a dislike. The problem comes when you use this very limited experience, and start making narrow-minded snap judgements based on what amounts to fuck all. That's what people have taken issue with.

You have written many words and they have no meaning, as you have no idea just how much I have listened to. You presume. And that is deffo not cool!

A lot of boom-boom-boom-boom will always be just boom-boom-boom-boom and no amount of talking will ever make it any better! Meanigless is and will always remain meaningless for me. And I never found anything meaningful in all that dance nonsense, no...

 

[Dubversion]

Anyway. Back to your studies of electronic music, gorski. You brought it up and i'm keen to know more

 

[ChrisFilter]

My presumptions are based on 4 pages of evidence/drivel. You clearly have very limited experience of electronic music, otherwise you wouldn't be spouting this crap.

 

[gorski]

You see, Chris, you lot are really arrogant, as YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "FOR ME" and FOR ALL!! And that is how you just expressed yourself. That there is no other option but... Fate. Kismet. Determinism. No one can differ from you!

This "idea" of yours that anyone has to agree with whatever one studies is for morons!!!