A really good club in London, please???

[Orang Utan]

CityDreams, thanx a bunch! Appreciated!

As for you, twats, who don't know how to talk about the issues but can only go ad hominem - there is no greater pomposity than when you have nothing upstairs but you nevertheless wanna appear as great minds, cool and whatnot... I pity you... Because to anyone with any brains you only speak of yourselves when you do this spiritually lazy, immature and powerless shite you're doing...

Ponce, pretentious ponce

 

[gorski]

Btw, CD, I am down with sinusitis and on antibiotics and so on, so can't do anything right now but soon... Would be really cool to chill a bit and dance [haven't in ages], when I'm better... Speak later, maybe...

 

[Dubversion]

lucky old citydreams

 

[gorski]

See, how this thread might have worked better would have been:

I like XX music, i don't like XX music, could anyone recommend somewhere I could go to enjoy the music I like.

Instead of:

I like XX music because i'm not an ignorant, spiritually lazy zombie like you are because you like XX music, which is a product of late stage capitalism at its worst. You are all mere plebs before me because I've got more Average White Band albums than you.

Because I THINK it's true and FOR ME that is the case, ye twat!

Who said you HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME? [Twat!]

 

[gorski]

Ponce, pretentious ponce

Well chosen nick, you no-brainer!

 

[Dubversion]

but if you were looking for helpful advice, wouldn't it have been wise to be less of an arrogant, judgemental wanker?

 

[tarannau]

Having said that, insecure people with a chip on their shoulder will always do this sort of nonsense and not talk about a subject but go ad hominem...

Trouble is Gorski, I love funk, soul and 'real' dance music - my first love in face. I've even been to many of the Keb Darge nights that Wrongspeed has cited, even shared the same dj booth on occasion.

As for 'ad hominen' posts, wouldn't have been more productive to start off with a positive post asking for more of what you like rather than a sneering, supercilious post slagging off 'anvil' music and getting your retaliation in against modern sounds in first. Given that much modern 'dance' music is much more diverse and directly descended from funk/soul/ reggae than you give it any credit for, your opening post made you sound like an intolerant ignoramus to be honest. You'll have to excuse me, and others, for not rushing to contribute too much to such a sneering and judgemental individual.

 

[Bazza]

Bringing together the full circle of soul and funk from the 60s and 70s, played off original vinyl only in a three room venue at the heart of Shoreditch, East London.

See, I take issue with this.

What if the song is great but it can't be played because it's a re-issue or on CD?

My dad's a big Northern Soul fan and is always "demo this", "rare misprint" that and frankly I find it silly. Not silly from a collector's point of view but silly that people might not dance to something that's not on original vinyl.

 

[gorski]

but if you were looking for helpful advice, wouldn't it have been wise to be less of an arrogant, judgemental wanker?

You mean, you have nothing upstairs, so since you can't talk about the issues, you choose to attack a person and then that should somehow be cool?!?

 

[citydreams]

See, I take issue with this.

What if the song is great but it can't be played because it's a re-issue or on CD?

My dad's a big Northern Soul fan and is always "demo this", "rare misprint" that and frankly I find it silly. Not silly from a collector's point of view but silly that people might not dance to something that's not on original vinyl.

I agree with you.. it's all a bit mad, but it's just a bit of fun

At least these super-rare AA sides are getting an airing.

 

[ChrisFilter]

The bit I like is the suggestion that electronica is an evil by-product of capitalism, yet has been around for donkeys years!

Gorski, nothing wrong with disliking something, lots wrong with slagging something off because you don't get it.

 

[gorski]

As for 'ad hominen' posts,

1) wouldn't have been more productive to start off with a positive post asking for more of what you like

rather than

2) a sneering, supercilious post slagging off 'anvil' music and getting your retaliation in against modern sounds in first.

3) Given that much modern 'dance' music is much more diverse and directly descended from funk/soul/ reggae than you give it any credit for, your opening post made you sound like an intolerant ignoramus to be honest. You'll have to excuse me, and others, for not rushing to contribute too much to such a sneering and judgemental individual.

1) Maybe you'll note that I did that, my own way! I didn't attack anyone personally, the fact some here felt personally attacked and couldn't muster a single rational argument against it but continued attacking the person instead of talk about the issues speaks enough for me.

2) Your post is ad hominem, again! I have no problem with "sounds" but rather the lack of sound and just loadsa noise some want to call music. Fine, have it your own way, who's to stop you. But at least I am free to say what I feel/think. And I didn't point a finger at you! I defined/described what I do not want for a reason. Deal with it.

If anyone here can make proper music and chooses to do this nonsense - I challenge you to say you're not doing it for the easy money alone...

3) It was stripped down of anything meaningful in reggae, soul and so on. So much so that anyone, without any music knowledge/skills/talent can "create" it. Just as Pollock was rubbish, so is this! I rest my case...

4) You're judgemental for wanting me to see the light, m8! YOU! I didn't want to "convert" or "proselytise" - I asked “is there such-and-such-a-thing, but don't misunderstand these broad, general terms, so here are the details...”

Silly, too silly for words, just how many sensitive princes and primadonnas there are out there...

 

[ChrisFilter]

The bit I like is the suggestion that electronica is an evil by-product of capitalism, yet has been around for donkeys years!

Gorski, nothing wrong with disliking something, lots wrong with slagging something off because you don't get it.

 

[ChrisFilter]

Oh Gorski.. the hole digs ever deeper.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

aye but could Stevie Wonder do a milk round. Could he fuck.

 

[gorski]

The bit I like is the suggestion that electronica is an evil by-product of capitalism, yet has been around for donkeys years!

Gorski, nothing wrong with disliking something, lots wrong with slagging something off because you don't get it.

Since when is the "electronica" not a by-product of Capitalism, m8?

I do get it [what's not to "get"?] but disagree with it wholeheartedly.

A small difference.

And since when is it not OK to be critically minded and express it? I mean, I reasoned, gave an alternative, not just "slagged off" all that meaningless noise...

 

[Dubversion]

gorski's great. Can i keep him?

 

[Dubversion]

btw, gorski. What are your feelings on artists such as Stockhausen, Cage, Berio, Xennaxis, Lamont Young etc?

 

[ChrisFilter]

Since when is the "electronica" not a by-product of Capitalism, m8?

I do get it [what's not to "get"?] but disagree with it wholeheartedly.

A small difference.

And since when is it not OK to be critically minded and express it? I mean, I reasoned, gave an alternative, not just "slagged off" all that meaningless noise...

Your reasons for disliking it were merely an extension of the slagging off.. and you clearly don't get it.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

but why is it meaningless? Because you don't identify it... you come across as a philistine.

See I don't get you, you could have just asked "anyone know a good night club that isn't dance music. Maybe soul or whatever." You would have found some fantastic nights out offered by people. But you go well out of your way to make an arse out of yourself and your ill thought out opinions.

 

[tarannau]

<dp weirdness>

 

[gorski]

We can argue like this all night long: "yes it is", "no, it ain't"... Big deal. Where will it get us? Bloody nowhere.

What's not to "get"? What's "getting it"?

Electronica did start, in pop music, as a dig at conformism, uniformity, one-dimensional man, if you want, "look at the zombies" kinda critically minded effort - and then... it went mainstream...

Not that I particularly liked it then but at least there was something in it to make one think and feel his world, in it's essential bits, which might affect us all... What with it now?

 

[Dubversion]

Electronica did start, in pop music, as a dig at conformism, uniformity, one-dimensional man, if you want, "look at the zombies" kinda critically minded effort - and then... it went mainstream...

so you believe electronic music is all now mainstream?

is there no end to your absolute ignorance about what you're so keen to demean?

 

[ChrisFilter]

Electronic music is pretty much the musical bastion of anti-establishment sentiment... took over from punk, and nothing's taken over from it yet.

It's far too big a scene to discuss in those terms anyway, huge range of genres and styles and millions upon millions of different tracks.

I think you're probably a nonce, Gorski

 

[tarannau]

1)
If anyone here can make proper music and chooses to do this nonsense - I challenge you to say you're not doing it for the easy money alone...
.

Aye, so was Sly Stone, in pioneering the use of drum machines and studio overdubs, doing it for the 'easy money.' Or Miles Davis, with his switch to abrupt, near atonal dance music structures, just doing it for filthy green.

What an uninformed pillock you are. The depressing thing is that you seem to want to freeze your concept of 'real music' in aspic, as if that's the only correct interpretation. And when you look back to artists like Stevie Wonder, whose name you're taking in vain, their's was amongst the most progressive and changeable music they could muster - witness his pioneering use of synths or different studio techniques. They'd almost certainly hate to be associated with such a regressive, backward take on their music.

 

[gorski]

Aye, so was Sly Stone, in pioneering the use of drum machines and studio overdubs, doing it for the 'easy money.' Or Miles Davis, with his switch to abrupt, near atonal dance music structures, just doing it for filthy green.

What an uninformed pillock you are. The depressing thing is that you seem to want to freeze your concept of 'real music' in aspic, as if that's the only correct interpretation. And when you look back to artists like Stevie Wonder, whose name you're taking in vain, their's was amongst the most progressive and changeable music they could muster - witness his pioneering use of synths or different studio techniques.

No, tarranau: you are as dim as one can get and pomppous, because you think you know it all!!!

Who said I like Sly? You git!

Miles went into the books with his modal jazz stuff - the rest, to my mind, is not all that good, anyhow... Just as he wasn't exactly a great virtuoso and he and everyone else knew it. But that is the point here, as he was told by Dizzy to start STUDYING the harmony, that he MUST LEARN TO PLAY AT LEAST ONE HARMONIC INSTRUMENT, TO KNOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON, you dumbo!!! Only then did he really excell!! And even then we can argue from a simple point of "taste" as to what's really great in it or not and that debate will never end...

So, that is MY ARGUMENT and it doesn't help you at all!! Actually, you just shot yourself in the foot, you silly!! That makes you a really presumptuous, stupid and arrogant git, just so you know!!

And here endeth the lesson!

 

[Dubversion]

dear gorski

please shoot yourself in the fucking face and thus spare us any more of your ill-informed, self-important, incompetently-expressed bullshit.

Yours

everyone ever

 

[Kameron]

Electronic music is pretty much the musical bastion of anti-establishment sentiment... took over from punk, and nothing's taken over from it yet.

Spot on from where I'm standing. I mean I'm sure we could all pick examples else where but for a genre of any significant size as a whole this has to be right on the money.

 

[Dubversion]

presumably all the 'proper' artists gorski likes did it for free and never became tools of the man?

 

[Kameron]

works for me YMMV