There is always a problem with the heterongeneity of the people who turn up at demonstrations, but IMO as long as this doesn't turn into an outright hijacking the obscures the main point I can't say I'd be in favour of policing demonstrations to make sure that whoever turns up has the 'right' politics. Anyway, these things are frequently organised by more than one group with varying politics internally, so who would get to decide?
a PRO war demo this weds by the Zionist Federation!
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untethered
For industry & decency
Tolerating terrorist supporters on a peace demonstration is a bit more than "heterogeneity".
Spion
I hear ya
How do you define a terrorist?
Someone who fights back after being ethnically cleansed and held in a giant open prison, or someone who inflicts the terror of killing 700 people in less than two weeks.
All military force employs terror
untethered
For industry & decency
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Everything exists within politics and context.
untethered
For industry & decency
Except "peace marches". They're exempt.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
In your fantasy world maybe.
untethered
For industry & decency
Who needs fantasies when both terrorist supporters and pacifists can happily march together through the streets of London without anyone having any serious concerns about their credibility?
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
They are united in a common aim, which is to protest against the bombing. It’s quite a simple concept really, common cause, it doesn’t require some grand conspiratorial logic. I was at a meeting held in a church in Richmond on Tuesday and it was a mixture of Christians, Muslims, conservatives, leftists, and activists all united in their condemnation of the action of Israel.
untethered
For industry & decency
No context, no politics. Just against the bombing. The Israeli bombing.
It's so simple, isn't it?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
The Israeli bombing exists apart from context does it?
Spion
I hear ya
Yes. Why is that difficult to understand?
untethered
For industry & decency
I understand it perfectly well. However, it's not a peace movement but purely a political movement on the side of the Palestinians.
Which as I've already said is a perfectly legal (if reprehensible) thing to do.
But let's just call a spade a spade and not delude ourselves as to what "peace" really means. It means, "Oh gosh, we're losing. Can you stop for a bit so we can hit you back harder?"
Spion
I hear ya
Why is it reprehensible for (people to support) a population of refugees held in a giant open prison to fight back?
Spion
I hear ya
Who said it was a peace movement?
And since when was a peace movement not political?
untethered
For industry & decency
They're not "fighting back" against their living conditions.
They're trying to destroy a legitimate state through terrorist violence.
This reminds me of the old proverb "Never argue with a stupid person. First they'll drag you down to their level, then they will beat you with experience."
audiotech
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So, according to you 'most on the demonstration in London last week would gladly support Hamas visiting similar misery on the Israelis'?
If that is really your position, what evidence do you have of this?
Spion
I hear ya
Ah, so here your understanding is clear. A legitimate state = one which ethnically cleansed nearly a million people, denies equal treatment to the Arab minority that remains and which now also illegally occupies 2.5m people and blockades and kills them when they dare to fight back.
Thanks for making it clear you are another member of the Israel-right-or-wrong brigade
Thats the one I'm going to go to. BTW its not a Pro War demo its an Anti Hamas Peace for Israel and Palestine demo.
I'll probably see a few of the more sensible urbs marching with me and the non sensible ones lining up with the clerical fascists and the swaps.
Exactly just because a demo is pro Israel doesn't mean that its pro war. This war against Hamas is regrettable but its not something that Israel wanted. Hamas can stop the fighting at any time it wants just by surrendering.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Bombing schools full of refugees gives me a hard-on too. Perhaps this is the demonstration for me!
Spion
I hear ya
if it isn't saying 'Stop the killing in Gaza' then it is exactly that.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Especially given its timing.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
There was mortar fire from schools. Check out the IAF footage on YouTube.
Stop the Killing in Gaza - Remove Hamas. There its quite simple.
fogbat
The Talibum
Before Hamas were elected, all was wonderful in HappyPeaceLand.
Things were not brilliant for the Palestinians but they are not just passive victims. They have made choices that have led to violence and they have reaped violence in return. It could be argued that they brought this disaster down upon theri own heads to some extent by partially electing Hamas.
Whatever the Israelis do wrong at least they dont' herd children onto a roof above a rocket launching site and use them as human shields. War Criminals if they can't be jailed for life or dangle on the end of a rope then hunting them down is the only way to deal with them.
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