butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Good man. The very idea of delivering your competitors mail to the the door at cheaper rates. What's the mood like in your depot?
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Good man. The very idea of delivering your competitors mail to the the door at cheaper rates. What's the mood like in your depot?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yep. CWU have allowed that since the early 80s.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it's a legal obligation. Problem with doing so is you then leave the fund in the hands of those who are hell bent on giving it to labour! only contributors can determine where it goes, iirr. So, if you support the principal of a political fund (which is about more than just labour donations) but dont support labour, what should one do?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Start an independent political fund, and have annual membership polls as to who should get the money?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
But that isn't how they work, is it? There is A political fund, and its members decide who the money goes to. Not all of it goes to labour anyway 9anti-bnp stuff has to come from the pf). You could argue for two political funds, as in Unison, but then there is absolutely nothing tht can be done about the labour party part of it. I'd rather have one, and campaign for disaffiliation.
Bitter are we? God forbid we should treat people like, well, people and not begrudge them their humanity in the workplace. Who knows, maybe then we might get a happier workforce and a more productive workplace. But I'm sure you'd prove to me there's no connection between happiness and productivity.
so because i make the observation that much work is going to off shore providers, many of whom do not enjoy similar human rights let alone employment rights.. im racist?
wow, does 2+2 = 8 as well?
By the way, I absolutely love this:
Are they going to move Britain's postal service abroad, jona?
no but much of it is going to companies that are based overseas.
to quote (from a royal mail postman)
"One thing you probably don’t know, for instance, is that the Royal Mail is already part-privatised. It goes under the euphemism of ‘deregulation’. Deregulation is the result of an EU directive that was meant to be implemented over an extended period to give mail companies time to adjust, but which this government embraced with almost obscene relish, deregulating the UK mail service long before any of its rivals in Europe. It means that any private mail company – or, indeed, any of the state-owned, subsidised European mail companies – is able to bid for Royal Mail contracts.
Take a look at your letters next time you pick them up from the doormat. Look at the right-hand corner, the place where the Queen’s head used to be. You’ll see a variety of different franks, representing a number of different mail companies. There’s TNT, UK Mail, Citypost and a number of others. What these companies do is to bid for the profitable bulk mail and city-to-city trade of large corporations, undercutting the Royal Mail, and then have the Royal Mail deliver it for them. TNT has the very lucrative BT contract, for instance. TNT picks up all BT’s mail from its main offices, sorts it into individual walks according to information supplied by the Royal Mail, scoots it to the mail centres in bulk, where it is then sorted again and handed over to us to deliver. Royal Mail does the work. TNT takes the profit."
source - http://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n18/maya01_.html
TNT is australian (not even European.. i hope no-one is going to accuse me of being racist about a country populated by essentially british ex pats?)
another big one UPS isnt mentioned... its American
do you see my point?
any and all profit that leaves the country is gone. workers in uk companies that resist change to the point that the uk companies are not competitive with overseas managed companies will cease to exist.. royal mail is going that way... to an extent the NHS is going that way (not hugely to overseas private providers yet... but it is yet) again due to resistance to change
do we want all our "public" services to be run by companies with an "Orange" culture?
e2a:
a quote by a man who knew a thing or two about evolution:
"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most adaptable to change.”
Charles Darwin (allegedly)
Fuck Off
No i meant your hatred of workers solidarity and woirkers rights is equivalent to the nazis'....
its not hatred it realism.
ill resist the (especially as i slated it myself not so long back) temptation to cite godwins law
i am a worker, i am a union member, i am a life long "labour" voter (god help me) i used to be a union steward.
i believe strongly in defending our rights as worker
i dont believe in free lunches
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
and yet you're here, defending the divine right of managers to manage. for the good of the workers, like.
I'm all for free lunches, and free uniforms, and free tea and coffee, to mention just a few.
Royal Mail is not uncompetitive jonajuna.
The mail market has been set up to allow private firms to take over increasing parts of the system. By running down Royal Mail and subsidies to TNT, UK mail, etc.
That is a political decision. Nothing to do with competitiveness or efficiency.
The mail market has been set up to allow private firms to take over increasing parts of the system. By running down Royal Mail and subsidies to TNT, UK mail, etc.
That is a political decision. Nothing to do with competitiveness or efficiency.
Royal Mail made £721 million last year on a turnover of £7 billion.
(not including £300 million top-up to the pension fund and £280 million subsidy to private mail firms)
It is nonsense to suggest RM is not profitable or that 'declining' mail volumes are causing a financial crisis.
(not including £300 million top-up to the pension fund and £280 million subsidy to private mail firms)
It is nonsense to suggest RM is not profitable or that 'declining' mail volumes are causing a financial crisis.
Stay Beautiful
Well-Known Member
Or sources too, by the looks it. Any details on this office yet where they're apparently always taking the pish with their demands?
i didn't say it was a (financially) declining business, i can see the evidence for myself that this isn't the case
what i am saying is that workers may be shooting themselves in the feet by not adapting to the market conditions (which includes those private companies) and harping on about the "good old days" of 4 tea breaks and a tot of rum (ok a huge exaggeration, but you get my drift? )
its my understanding that royal mail remains vat exempt? if so, surely this essentially constitutes a 17.5% subsidy?
and a brief google on the issue of subsidies, does through up some interesting reports:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article1426498.ece
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=417743&in_page_id=2
theres more.....
but this is off the point i feel. striking isnt doing any favours, if anything its feeding into the political pot for further privatisation.
no, with the attitude of some on here with their willingness to tell people to fuck off, im not really that comfortable to give suggestions as to where i live
sorry if that seems paranoid, but combine that with some on here who advocate dressing in black and smashing up other peoples property... and it isnt conducive to developing trust
google for wildcat strikes gives plenty of indication of the frequency of royal mail workers taking illegal industrial action, not just in my locality but across the country
Stunned silence.The 2007 refinancing was in fact a loan, lent at 8% interest rate, not exactly a subsidy.
VAT does not apply to any postage. Whatever the firm.
Workers are not shooting themselves in the foot. Because the problem for the government and the regulator is Royal Mail is TOO efficient, with level competition the private firms would be bankrupt in weeks.
VAT does not apply to any postage. Whatever the firm.
Workers are not shooting themselves in the foot. Because the problem for the government and the regulator is Royal Mail is TOO efficient, with level competition the private firms would be bankrupt in weeks.
Stay Beautiful
Well-Known Member
Unless your name is actually Jona Juna, I somehow doubt anyone is going to track you down if you named your local delivery office!
As for your links. One actual wildcat strike in Scotland "The dispute started after several drivers were sent home without pay for refusing to cross an official picket line" - where is the tea break issue then?
Then two inaccurate articles describing local action as wildcat strikes, when they are not. They will have been balloted on a local basis. Still, not that I'm moaning about wildcat action. We could do with a lot more of it, in all honesty.
Interestingly the 4th link, a Richard Littlejohn article, makes much the same points you do, even ending it with 'the Royal Mail has a future, but only by negotiation. It must adapt or die'. Obviously it is lost on brains of Britain Littlejohn that the whole reason we have arrived at a ballot for national action is because Royal Mail won't negotiate and have been taking executive action for the past 2 or 3 months. The union even offered a 3 month no strike deal if they sat down for negotiations but were ignored.
Still don't see any evidence of action at the drop of hat over tea breaks not being long enough or to reinstate people who were rightly sacked etc etc.
grogwilton
Well-Known Member
roflmao!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I will kill you
Yes, but since "anti-bnp stuff" from the unions is largely de facto electoral campaigning for Labour, that's not much of an argument in favour of the political fund.
Where the profit goes is essentially irrelevant. Why does it matter whether the profit goes to some cunt in Britain or some cunt in Austrailia? The work in this case cannot be outsourced overseas, it's not even possible.
You're a fucking dimwit.
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