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By the way, if you do get in, in the long, consult the union on anything you're unsure of. Your office might not have a rep but will have people who can advice at a local level. Don't just take managers word for things as many will just take the piss or attempt to bully you into complying, something which is at the heart of this dispute. Even the guy who wrote that piece appears to be suffering in that respect, given he is saying things like:

We’re only supposed to carry a maximum of 16 kilos per bag, on a reducing scale: 16 kilos the first bag, 13 kilos the last. If we did that we’d be taking out ten bags a day and wouldn’t be finished till three in the afternoon.

The weight guidelines are in place by law to protect you. Managers are meant to be monitoring bag weights but, like with the unofficial use of private cars and people not taking meal breaks etc, they turn a blind eye because it makes life easy for them. People have died because of this. Some older fellas in my office have all sorts of back and knee problems because they used to carry huge weights. If you need 10 bags dropped off to you, so be it (and yes, some do have to take that many!) If it means you have you wait for some and then are unable to complete your duty... not your problem. In fact, the longer you do this the more the managers will start to make life easier for you. Do the opposite and you make life harder for yourself.

I had to laugh at The Telegraph last week talking about this procedure (cutting off) as a 'Spanish practice': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ish-practices-revealed-at-the-Royal-Mail.html It isn't. You don't have to work anymore than your contract hours, if you don't want to. You don't have to work more than a 48 hour week if you've not opted out. If these are Spanish practices then so are health and safety regulations etc.

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adding yet more weight to our bags, and more minutes of unpaid overtime to our clock..... It is paid separately from our wages, and we can’t claim overtime if we run past our normal hours because of these items

Again, this isn't true and his managers are lying to him or this has become custom and practice where no one has thought to question it anymore. You don't have to do unpaid overtime and Door to Door items (junk mail to you and me) are to be delivered and prepared in Royal Mail time. It is probably become common in his office for people to take these items home to prepare them as they don't have the time to do them and complete their delivery. Some still do this in my office. Little do these people realise that if the Royal Mail investigation branch turned up and found these items, they would be out of the job and possibly prosecuted.

How come I can work up to five hours at a stretch without time for a sit-down or a tea break?

And this chap seems relatively politicised and is aware of the bigger picture and yet is saying things like this. He's breaking his back, working for hours on end without a break, doing unpaid overtime etc etc .... we're giving them the rope to hang us with! :confused:
 
time for a sit down or a tea break

gues smy biscuits comments werent so off the wall.

all any worker is entitlted to is 20mins break if their working day exceeds 6 hours...... 20mins total.. in 1 hit if the employer likes

ffs, no wonder the management are kicking up if posties want to put their feet up and read the paper 4 times a day

this is work, in the real world, morning and afternoon playtime is what you get at school


flame me for that, i dont give a shit.. cant believe that people are whinging about a tea break... thres this thing called wages... its what you get in return for labour
 
Yeh, wages definitely reflect labour value. No one is making money out of that fair and equitable transaction. Right.
 
time for a sit down or a tea break

gues smy biscuits comments werent so off the wall.

all any worker is entitlted to is 20mins break if their working day exceeds 6 hours...... 20mins total.. in 1 hit if the employer likes

ffs, no wonder the management are kicking up if posties want to put their feet up and read the paper 4 times a day

The vast majority don't even take *any* sort of break, as they don't perceive they have the time. Much like the chap who wrote the article in the first post. The idea of posties lazying around at the moment has got to be some sort of joke. Managers in our office ask people to take their break at the end of their duty, so pressuring people into breaking the law.

What were the specifics of this dispute about breaks in your area? More than likely they were simply arguing for the 20 minutes every 6 hours they're entitled to but have been under pressure not to take 'cos every other mug has decided to work themselves into the ground.
 
time for a sit down or a tea break

gues smy biscuits comments werent so off the wall.

all any worker is entitlted to is 20mins break if their working day exceeds 6 hours...... 20mins total.. in 1 hit if the employer likes

ffs, no wonder the management are kicking up if posties want to put their feet up and read the paper 4 times a day

this is work, in the real world, morning and afternoon playtime is what you get at school


flame me for that, i dont give a shit.. cant believe that people are whinging about a tea break... thres this thing called wages... its what you get in return for labour

Plenty of employers don't give a fuck about how much breaktime they're obliged to permit their staff. They can't stop you having a break you're legally entitled to but they can find some excuse to sack you and replace you with someone who won't take those breaks, which amounts to the same thing.

This thing called wages is all well and good, but no amount of money will change the fact that people are organic devices which need to take a piss now and then, or occasionally eat food to fend off hypoglycaemic seizures, or heaven forfend just get a moment's peace and quiet every now and then. And lets face it, it's not the people with the big paypackets who have to fight to get what they're legally entitled to is it? It's the people on the minimum wage who get paid enough not to need breaks, a rather strange paradox if you ask me :hmm:
 
Plenty of employers don't give a fuck about how much breaktime they're obliged to permit their staff. They can't stop you having a break you're legally entitled to but they can find some excuse to sack you and replace you with someone who won't take those breaks, which amounts to the same thing.

This thing called wages is all well and good, but no amount of money will change the fact that people are organic devices which need to take a piss now and then, or occasionally eat food to fend off hypoglycaemic seizures, or heaven forfend just get a moment's peace and quiet every now and then. And lets face it, it's not the people with the big paypackets who have to fight to get what they're legally entitled to is it? It's the people on the minimum wage who get paid enough not to need breaks, a rather strange paradox if you ask me :hmm:

im sure any postman can eat a marsbar whilst on their rounds to fend off those diabetic comas

especially as the one who is my nieghbour found time to come home and shag his mistress while his missus as at work

i really fail to accept that the royal mail would not permit its workers to take their european wide legally entitled rest break for those that work in excess of 6 hours

fag breaks, tea break and so on, are not an entitlement. having a piss is, but depends if you take the piss by going for a piss 3 times an hour and take 1 minutes each time you do


and why the hell should any company pay you to have five minutes peace and quiet? you are there to work not relax

its this sort of workers mentality that means so much of our work is going off shore to countries who dont even have the rights our workers enjoy
 
People recieve a wage in exchange for labour, yes. They also sometimes chose to withdraw that labour as a means of applying pressure in negotiations over the terms and conditions of their employment and as a consequence are not paid for the period in which they're withdrawing that labour. I can't really see how you can reasonably object to that.
 
People recieve a wage in exchange for labour, yes. They also sometimes chose to withdraw that labour as a means of applying pressure in negotiations over the terms and conditions of their employment and as a consequence are not paid for the period in which they're withdrawing that labour. I can't really see how you can reasonably object to that.

im not. what im objecting to are the arguments presented here that not having a break at the employees whim is somehow immoral

i started out with the comments on my local post office workers seemingly wild catting every time a manager farted in a manner they didnt like

for the record, i am a union member, always have been, for many years i was a union rep (dont feel i can be know as im one of those bastard manager types amongst many sins)
 
CWU facilitates money going to the Labour Party. They are complicit in the demise of their own rights. Personally, I wouldnt pay someone to punch me in the face.
 
im not. what im objecting to are the arguments presented here that not having a break at the employees whim is somehow immoral
So basically your problem is that you don't have the wit to actually read what people have written and engage with it instead of writing a load of spurious and obviously untrue bollocks?
 
CWU facilitates money going to the Labour Party. They are complicit in the demise of their own rights. Personally, I wouldnt pay someone to punch me in the face.
The reality is somewhat more complex than that though. Membership don't have a direct say over how the political fund is spent, you might as well blame the posties for the price of a loaf of bread.
 
The reality is somewhat more complex than that though. Membership don't have a direct say over how the political fund is spent, you might as well blame the posties for the price of a loaf of bread.

Surely any union member can opt out of the political fund if they're not happy how it's spent.
 
Surely any union member can opt out of the political fund if they're not happy how it's spent.
You're assuming that everybody's aware of what the political fund is, how it's spent and knows that it's optional, which isn't always the case.
 
Royal Mail managers are using the common tactic of antagonizing/behaving in a way that leaves staff no option but to strike and using public opinion to force them to accept shit conditions. RM management particularly at a local level are possibly the worst in this country, when it comes to staff relations, it doesnt stop there though it permeates the whole organization.
 
From what i have seen these rolling strikes are having quite an affect.the daily mail complained that the union as conducted the strikes to minimise loss of wages and maximise disruption. Too fucking right the union leaders are maximising their profits just like the bosses:D
 
i do (in parts) understand why the guys are striking etc.

but where i live, it seems they (the local mail office/depot are on strike at least a few days every 6 months, or less even, they strike about breaks, they strike about a guy who was sacked for what was clear gross insubordination.. feck me, they will strike about the wrong type of biscuit soon

so its really hard to empathise with the national strikes which i get are for valid reasons and should be supported. but locally, theres been too much "cry wolf" going on for literally years


although saying all that... they are not striking on these round of action? go figure....


if your employer is a tyrant and you don't stand up for yourself, yer fucked
 
im sure any postman can eat a marsbar whilst on their rounds to fend off those diabetic comas

especially as the one who is my nieghbour found time to come home and shag his mistress while his missus as at work

i really fail to accept that the royal mail would not permit its workers to take their european wide legally entitled rest break for those that work in excess of 6 hours

fag breaks, tea break and so on, are not an entitlement. having a piss is, but depends if you take the piss by going for a piss 3 times an hour and take 1 minutes each time you do


and why the hell should any company pay you to have five minutes peace and quiet? you are there to work not relax

its this sort of workers mentality that means so much of our work is going off shore to countries who dont even have the rights our workers enjoy

It's Nick Griffin!!
 
Whats mean spirited about raising the issue of high wages?

It would be more constructive to question the competence in his job and support for his members rather than go on about pay.

By the way while we are on the subject your being a bit hypocritical with your what appears on the surface support for private firms in the NHS. Are you are that senior management are' bothe within the NHS and private firms are 'nt affected by pay deals such as Agenda For Change, and that salaries for private management are higher.

I suspect the same is true within the Post Service
 
CWU facilitates money going to the Labour Party. They are complicit in the demise of their own rights. Personally, I wouldnt pay someone to punch me in the face.
I'm pretty sure you can still opt out of political fund if you want and stay in the union.
 
By the way, I absolutely love this:
jonajuna said:
its this sort of workers mentality that means so much of our work is going off shore to countries who dont even have the rights our workers enjoy
Are they going to move Britain's postal service abroad, jona? :D
 
TBH I don't get how you read that article, about workers' conditions and the threat to the whole service and even have Hayes' pay cross your mind.

because in balders world the most pressing political issues are:

some people who work for charities earn too much

a few indian doctors come to work in the UK

and muslims

being bad obviously

these issues are so vitally important to class struggle that they must be brought up in every single thread

the rest is all mere detail

its a simple life for old balders
 
It would be more constructive to question the competence in his job and support for his members rather than go on about pay.

By the way while we are on the subject your being a bit hypocritical with your what appears on the surface support for private firms in the NHS. Are you are that senior management are' bothe within the NHS and private firms are 'nt affected by pay deals such as Agenda For Change, and that salaries for private management are higher.

I suspect the same is true within the Post Service

Crikey Nigel where do you think ive supported private firms in the NHS?
 
Crikey Nigel where do you think ive supported private firms in the NHS?
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=302465

Narcy Lad,"...If competition become more widespread then services could be provided by the party that offers the best value. The NHS is just a big market place and the private sector should be invited to join."

Tbaldwin,"...Good post Narcy lad."

If I've got the wrong end of the stick here I apologise!
 
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=302465

Narcy Lad,"...If competition become more widespread then services could be provided by the party that offers the best value. The NHS is just a big market place and the private sector should be invited to join."

Tbaldwin,"...Good post Narcy lad."

If I've got the wrong end of the stick here I apologise!

Thought he made some good points and food for thought. Doesnt mean i agreed with everything he said.
But it does piss me off how dishonest people are about the NHS. Private firms have made a fortune out of the NHS since it started to act as though its`all new is bollocks
 
Thought he made some good points and food for thought. Doesnt mean i agreed with everything he said.
But it does piss me off how dishonest people are about the NHS. Private firms have made a fortune out of the NHS since it started to act as though its`all new is bollocks

Fair point!
 
I voted YES for a strike today.

We have to protest and stop management dictating everything.

Personally i dont think a strike will be enough...we should boycott all the downstream access items.

Demand an end to subsidising the private sector mail companies.
 
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