A pome wot i writ

[Crispy]

de Dum de Dum de Dum de Dum de Dum

 

[sam/phallocrat]

who is this?

 

[Crispy]

who is this?

Yeats
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Although the IP addresses do have a match to an existing poster. Yeats, could you drop me a PM if you are an existing user with a 2nd login?

 

[CyberRose]

de Dum de Dum de Dum de Dum de Dum

oh

 

[DotCommunist]

I get the impression that Alx B thinks all poetry begins and ends with traditional english forms. Which is a bit short sighted of him

 

[CyberRose]

Good point! It's a Japanese style poem in Polish!

 

[Santino]

I get the impression that Alx B thinks all poetry begins and ends with traditional english forms. Which is a bit short sighted of him

When someone presents rambling prose divided up into short lines so that it looks like poetry, I would advise them to learn the established techniques and forms of English poetry. After they've done that they will be better placed to write poems of whatever form they like. Kind of like learning draughtsmanship and colour theory if you want to be a painter.

 

[DotCommunist]

When someone presents rambling prose divided up into short lines so that it looks like poetry, I would advise them to learn the established techniques and forms of English poetry. After they've done that they will be better placed to write poems of whatever form they like. Kind of like learning draughtsmanship and colour theory if you want to be a painter.

Elitist and rather dated attitude. The OP say's it has an English Lit degree. Don't you think it's highly likely that it has learned the established techniques and forms but has chosen not to use them? plenty of people do that btw.

 

[Santino]

Elitist and rather dated attitude. The OP say's it has an English Lit degree. Don't you think it's highly likely that it has learned the established techniques and forms but has chosen not to use them? plenty of people do that btw.

Yes, elitist. I prefer my poets to be elite in their poetry-writing abilities.

 

[CyberRose]

Yes, elitist. I prefer my poets to be elite in their poetry-writing abilities.

Do you also sit outside Starbucks wearing extra-large sunglasses?!

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Talking to me? I've got a degree in English Literature. Thanks though.

Godwin's Law should have a sub-clause that anyone who brings up the subject their degree was in has automatically lost the argument.

 

[DotCommunist]

So your arguement is that only those who have studied the art should attempt it, well that's art snobbery my freind.

And what you consider to be elte is largely a value judgement yes? trying to justify it as anything else, is art snobbery again

 

[Santino]

There are some things in life that are best done by people with training and education. Poetry, along with classical music, architecture, surgery and making sushi is one of them.

 

[Crispy]

From yours, I would only inculde surgery in my list, and maybe sushi.

 

[Santino]

Different strokes for different folks.



What the devil are you talking about, Willis?

 

[Antoine]

poetry takes practice not training

 

[Santino]

poetry takes practice not training

Semantics.

Now go and practise making hip hop graphs.

 

[Cheesypoof]

There are some things in life that are best done by people with training and education. Poetry, along with classical music, architecture, surgery and making sushi is one of them.

that statement is laughable - and i agree with crispy on the point about surgery. (it is possible to make sushi without 'training' of any kind by the way, just as it is possible to be a fantastic cook without training as a chef).

your approach reminds me of that scene in Dead Poets Society where Robin Williams encourages the kids to rip out that awful chapter in their texts 'Understanding Poetry, by Dr J.Evans pritchard, PHD.'

 

[goldenecitrone]

Here's one from alliteration week.

Soft and silent
Silky snow
Sifting through the sky
Children throwing snowballs
At a sullen passerby

A great white silver blanket
As far as one can see
Slowly settles on the land
Like a silver, silken sea.

g.citrone (12 and 3/4)

 

[Santino]

that statement is laughable - and i agree with crispy on the point about surgery. (it is possible to make sushi without 'training' of any kind by the way, just as it is possible to be a fantastic cook without training as a chef).

You can be a good cook without official training, yes. But you can't make choux pastry without someone showing you how or following a recipe. No one accidentally discovers how to make souffle either.

I would imagine that most people learn to cook by cooking stuff they have eaten and liked, copying the ingredients and techniques that other people have used before. That's what most decent poets do too.

 

[Santino]

Here's one from alliteration week.

Soft and silent
Silky snow
Sifting through the sky
Children throwing snowballs
At a sullen passerby

A great white silver blanket
As far as one can see
Slowly settles on the land
Like a silver, silken sea.

g.citrone (12 and 3/4)

That's what school poetry lessons should be for. I would give that a smiley face and two merit marks.

 

[goldenecitrone]

That's what school poetry lessons should be for. I would give that a smiley face and two merit marks.

I started another one along the lines of 'Diver dives to dark, deep depths..' but soon got sick of alliteration, to be honest. Quite shortly after I was producing reams of self-indulgent drivel. Oh, to be a teen once more.

 

[Santino]

I started another one along the lines of 'Diver dives to dark, deep depths..' but soon got sick of alliteration, to be honest. Quite shortly after I was producing reams of self-indulgent drivel. Oh, to be a teen once more.

I used to design album covers for my band.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I started another one along the lines of 'Diver dives to dark, deep depths..' but soon got sick of alliteration, to be honest. Quite shortly after I was producing reams of self-indulgent drivel. Oh, to be a teen once more.

Perhaps we can all complete it, everybody chipping in.

Diver dives to dark, deep depths
Watery-wet the wavy waves

 

[Cheesypoof]

You can be a good cook without official training, yes. But you can't make choux pastry without someone showing you how or following a recipe. No one accidentally discovers how to make souffle either.

I would imagine that most people learn to cook by cooking stuff they have eaten and liked, copying the ingredients and techniques that other people have used before. That's what most decent poets do too.

hmmm. you are backtracking a bit - can i ask you - where does one go to get poetry 'training?'

poor bob dylan

and before you try and schmalz it with some kind of 'there are exceptions' get out clause, there arent exceptions IMO. because loads of great writers and artists have no training. Some people are just naturally gifted at things like writing, and inspired by the world around them, for which you definitely dont need 'training.'

Or take art. There are loads of fantastic artists out there who have *no* training whatsoever - in fact i think training sometimes beats the talent out of people, and its important actually *not* to learn too much, as it can kill spontaneity.

words - things like this come from inspiration, reading. They are not defined by education.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Perhaps we can all complete it, everybody chipping in.

Diver dives to dark, deep depths
Watery-wet the wavy waves

I preferred 'where delicate corals dance'. Yours is too Dylan Thomasy. And the alliteration was on the letter 'd'.

 

[goldenecitrone]

hmmm. you are backtracking a bit - can i ask you - where does one go to get poetry 'training?'

You could start here.

http://inin.essortment.com/howtowritepoe_rjsm.htm

 

[Cheesypoof]

You could start here.

http://inin.essortment.com/howtowritepoe_rjsm.htm

thats so wrong.