butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Jesus christ, it's a simple question. I'm not in any organisation so why would i be scared? I'm not laying a trap. Have you a link or not? Are you going to try and join?
A New Anarchist Organisation
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The Black Hand
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torres said:
You've left the AF then? When was that? (Note - tinternet doesn't mean one hears of everything).
No, I have no link for you. I have been to Glasgow recently though - dry ice seeps across Torres' screen....
No I am 'not going to try and join' now.
Since our last exchange on the subject some months ago, if you remember you suggested I email them. I did. I'll leave it like that and note the dry ice billowing in front of your screen again
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
torres said:
My understanding is that they will have branches in at least two bits of Scotland to start with, so it clearly isn't intended as just a local group. I have no idea if they are planning to organise south of the border.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
so what does praxis mean then?
The Black Hand
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bluestreak said:
Praxis is the Marxist term for the joining together of theory and practice. Unfortunately there are many anarchists as well as Marxists who haven't understood this. Thus their politics often does not go beyond well meaning liberalism. Praxis implies that action should be informed by theory, and when action is carried out it calls for constant assesment and the development of theory.
Theory does not stand still, the world is constantly changing (Marxist dialectics understands this). Groups also blur their aims and principles and use them as a reason for inaction. Thus Left communists have turned their Marxism into a cult, and are left totally impotent in the face of reality which does not fit preconceived notions of their theory. They were reduced to commentating on events (Eg. Subversion), such as in Ireland, rather than acting as participants in events and trying to encourage more revolutionary and libertarian positions in practice. This is the authentic (Hegelian) Marxist position as it does not write things off in advance (a priori), and instead sees theory and praxis as 'becoming'.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
so praxis is the difference between armchair anarchism and attempting social reform?
The Black Hand
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JHE said:
That portrait of me from 25 years ago was meant to be private
The Black Hand
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JHE said:You're not fooling me. You were ever so sweet 25 years ago.
Age has not been kind to you, has it?
Actually I'm rather like John Parrott these days - the snooker player...
biff curtains
Fred West or Fred Housego
Attica said:
They have enough people for maybe three branches in Scotland at most, that's it. They may have a few "contacts" elsewhere but not enough to justify calling it a national org. That's not a criticism just the truth.
The Black Hand
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biff curtains said:
That depends on how many you need for a branch doesn't it. There are more than single figures scattered throughout England, North, South, middle... that I know of...
biff curtains
Fred West or Fred Housego
Attica said:
There aren't. Really.
The Black Hand
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biff curtains said:
Hmmm From what I heard from the 'Glasgow HQ' it made it sound like there was enough, he mentioned some names (plural) that I know too. We'll see eh.
Anyway, it quality not quantity at this stage
biff curtains
Fred West or Fred Housego
Good luck to 'em but they shouldnt rush it, starting one or two groups in Scotland is perfectly sound.
The Black Hand
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biff curtains said:
TBH they are going beyond Scotland and spreading ideas around. Understandably there are many unaligned with the national groupings who are only too pleased to see a genuinely new group emerging without any personal shite to get in the way. What is need first is some serious attempt to position Praxis, and proposals to cut a further way forward, then we can all contribute ('all' here means those who genuinely would like to see political development and not 'more of the same'). The test will be whether Praxis can actually reach praxis, and if it does it will be an advance on the orthodox federations who are treading water.
For a supposedly 'anarchist' movement, anarchists are often conservative unfortunately
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
can't be bothered to go into this but as a 'lay-man' there three points i could make about this.
groups with silly politico jargonese names featuring words like 'praxis', 'autonomist' etc never attract normal folk as normal folk are hardly gonna wanna get involved with a group if they dont even know what their name means!
mart's 'what do we do when the cops fuck off' article was all well and good at the time, but does anyone really think such hypothesis really has any grounding in the real world? to me it reads a bit like an anarchist version of john lennon's 'imagine' now. a happy dream.
what's fox hunting got to do with anarchism? fair enough, fox hunting is a good thing to mobilise anti-upper class sentiment about - all well and good - but normal folk couldnt give a fuck about animal rights extremists and hunt sabbing and stuff so if any @ group is really interested in getting anywhere they should kick all that malarkey into touch.
it's like all this stuff about @s campaigning to free some nut-job who chopped someone up and kept their head in their fridge!! yea, that's REALLY gonna attract folk to your movement.....
ok, i'm back to work now
groups with silly politico jargonese names featuring words like 'praxis', 'autonomist' etc never attract normal folk as normal folk are hardly gonna wanna get involved with a group if they dont even know what their name means!
mart's 'what do we do when the cops fuck off' article was all well and good at the time, but does anyone really think such hypothesis really has any grounding in the real world? to me it reads a bit like an anarchist version of john lennon's 'imagine' now. a happy dream.
what's fox hunting got to do with anarchism? fair enough, fox hunting is a good thing to mobilise anti-upper class sentiment about - all well and good - but normal folk couldnt give a fuck about animal rights extremists and hunt sabbing and stuff so if any @ group is really interested in getting anywhere they should kick all that malarkey into touch.
it's like all this stuff about @s campaigning to free some nut-job who chopped someone up and kept their head in their fridge!! yea, that's REALLY gonna attract folk to your movement.....
ok, i'm back to work now
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
nah man, i just wish there were some @s who had their heads screwed on the right way round these days. up for a laugh and causing chaos and having a pop at those who deserve it.
like the good old days
not discussing the semantics of that boring old 'organisational platform of the lib. coms' pamphlet bone used to punt about or campaigning for the release of some bloke who sounds like jeffrey dahmer with a couple of bakunin books on his shelf.
it's just nuttiness, and it's a shame there doesn't seem to be any one (or group?) to counter it.
like the good old days
not discussing the semantics of that boring old 'organisational platform of the lib. coms' pamphlet bone used to punt about or campaigning for the release of some bloke who sounds like jeffrey dahmer with a couple of bakunin books on his shelf.
it's just nuttiness, and it's a shame there doesn't seem to be any one (or group?) to counter it.
The Black Hand
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'Normal folk' - who are these aliens?
I have never seen one, were they spotted over Menwith Hill or something?
I have never seen one, were they spotted over Menwith Hill or something?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Here it is:
http://praxisglasgow.wordpress.com/
http://praxisglasgow.wordpress.com/
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's not very good. It's a bit mad to be honest.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
before i even bother trying to read this are any of the old castlemilk / 'practical anarchy' lot involved with this new thing? they were a sound bunch who had their heads screwed on.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I pretty much think not. ( I can't be 100% def, but sure, that was ages ago)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ach it's a total mess:
"By strategic focus, we mean that thought is conducted top-to-bottom, first of all determining ultimate aims, then strategies to reach those aims, then tactics to carry out those strategies."
The membership will agree an overarching plan, and each branch will produce a local action plan in line with this. Local action plans will include projects, timetables, and monitorable outcomes. Regular reviews of progress will take place, and plans will be adjusted in line with these reviews.
"By strategic focus, we mean that thought is conducted top-to-bottom, first of all determining ultimate aims, then strategies to reach those aims, then tactics to carry out those strategies."
The membership will agree an overarching plan, and each branch will produce a local action plan in line with this. Local action plans will include projects, timetables, and monitorable outcomes. Regular reviews of progress will take place, and plans will be adjusted in line with these reviews.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Flowcharts? Presentations? Power-point?
Aims, changable aims are laudable - this is not.
Still, there's time to change i hope. Hope they haven't paid for amssed o printed material already.
Aims, changable aims are laudable - this is not.
Still, there's time to change i hope. Hope they haven't paid for amssed o printed material already.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
butchersapron said:
yes. When folk had their heads screwed on the right way.
had a look at that praxis site. It's just a load of foolishness, reminds me of the sort of stuff you'd get in 'virus' and other dullness like that. noone other than the three folk who the group consists of will ever have any interest in it, then again i dont suppose they're too bothered about that as groups like this are just set up to give those in them status within their milieu.
If folk wanna affect some change in society why dont folk like that go and volunteer for a few hours in their local citizens advice bureau or something instead of wasting time on all that cobblers.
Nobody.
Gives.
a.
fuck.
The Black Hand
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It is shame Praxis are better than the organisations that exist then
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