Donna Ferentes
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Cobblers, my friend. Not if you also wish to eat and get to work.arty said:
A Living Wage For London
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Table 2.1: Basic Living Costs (or LCA budget) for single individuals (aged 16-19 years old) in London, (£ per week, 2004)
Costs Single young individual
Full-time
Regional indexed cost of a basket of goods and services 79.35
Council tax 10.75
Total transport costs 19.20
Childcare costs 0.0
Total non housing costs 109.30
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/economic_unit/docs/current_issues_note_7.rtf
Costs Single young individual
Full-time
Regional indexed cost of a basket of goods and services 79.35
Council tax 10.75
Total transport costs 19.20
Childcare costs 0.0
Total non housing costs 109.30
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/economic_unit/docs/current_issues_note_7.rtf
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Table 2.2. Bottom quartile of rents of various sizes and types of accommodation (£ per week)
1 bedroom; 2 bedrooms; 3 bedrooms; 4 bedrooms; 5 bedrooms; 6 bedrooms
Rooms: 74; 37.50
Sharers: 75;
Bedsits: 70;
Studio Flat: no data available
Flat: 150; 87.50; 68.80; 72.30
Maisonette: 150; 86.50; 69.30; 100
House/bungalow/cottage: 144; 88.80; 71.30; 74.80; 69.10; 58.30
Social rented: 50.80; 29.60; 21.90; 18.20
Source: GLA and CIPFA datasets
1 bedroom; 2 bedrooms; 3 bedrooms; 4 bedrooms; 5 bedrooms; 6 bedrooms
Rooms: 74; 37.50
Sharers: 75;
Bedsits: 70;
Studio Flat: no data available
Flat: 150; 87.50; 68.80; 72.30
Maisonette: 150; 86.50; 69.30; 100
House/bungalow/cottage: 144; 88.80; 71.30; 74.80; 69.10; 58.30
Social rented: 50.80; 29.60; 21.90; 18.20
Source: GLA and CIPFA datasets
citydreams
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From 2004:
This week Ken Livingstone suggested that he thought a living wage in London should be £7.70.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/politics/politics_260904.shtml
This week Ken Livingstone suggested that he thought a living wage in London should be £7.70.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/insideldn/politics/politics_260904.shtml
citydreams
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trashpony said:So basically that's still £2 an hour more than minimum wage. No wonder we have more children living in poverty in London than in the rest of the country
Around one in seven of London employees receive less than £6.15 per hour and are effectively living on poverty level wages
http://www.publicservice.co.uk/readnews.asp?id=1582
Orang Utan
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I have a mate on about 18K and he lives in a studio flat.Donna Ferentes said:
Donna Ferentes
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Where does he live, how much did the flat cost and where does he work?
I found nothing for less than 600 a month (unless I wanteds to live so far out that the saving would have been lost in extra travel costs) and even that was an exception.
I found nothing for less than 600 a month (unless I wanteds to live so far out that the saving would have been lost in extra travel costs) and even that was an exception.
Orang Utan
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He pays about 550 a month in Balham and works in Selhurst (using a car)Donna Ferentes said:
Orang Utan
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Tis fucking tiny though - I'd end up killing myself if I lived there
Donna Ferentes
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Yeah, I could maybe just about have afforded that: though whether I could have got my six bookcases and a television into the place is another matter. 550 is unusually "cheap" though, don't you think?Orang Utan said:
Orang Utan
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It is pretty cheap.Donna Ferentes said:
I wouldn't live there myself as I said - I would like to live on my own but would probably be have to be on £30K plus to have enough to pay for a one bedroom flat up to the standard I'm used to. That's why I prefer sharing with a mate.
Donna Ferentes
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Orang Utan said:
Yeah. And sometimes you can get cheap stuff, sometimes because it's shite and sometimes because the landlord or landlady is generous (I lived in Oxford for nine years with a bloke who charged far less than a market rent).
Well, quite. And that's a one-bedroom flat, not a castle.Orang Utan said:
30K is, I'd guess, above the median salary in London?
I don't. I'm too old for it and I don't believe I should have to anyway.Orang Utan said:
Orang Utan
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You shouldn't have to, no, but it's more practical to do so
Donna Ferentes
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Not really. Obviously I see what you mean, but if it causes you stress and strife then in the long term it's not all that practical as you have to keep moving on anyway.
Orang Utan
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It doesn't cause stress and strife if you find the right person to share with - ie someone with a very similar lifestyle as you and someone with the same standards.
Donna Ferentes
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Hard though, that. And besides, there are people who simply want and need to be on their own.
Orang Utan
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Beats me - he does though!Blagsta said:
scifisam
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I don't get it. If you're earning £22,000, why can you only afford £600pm on rent? Where does the rest of the money go? £22,000pa is £1,388pm net.
(I'm using this tax calculator, btw.
My friend has a two bedroom flat in a gated development in Whitechapel, ten minutes' walk from the financial district. £600pm. Another friend has a two-bedroom flat, fully furnished, in Penge, zone 3, £650pm. My partner's own rented room in West Ham, which is zone 3 but has excellent transport connections, is £300pm including bills. My houseguest recently went to look at 2 rooms in shared flats, zone 2: one was £320pm inc, one was £345pm inc. Two friends of mine rent an absolutely gorgeous one-bedroom flat with a balcony in Camden - not a cheap area - for £700.
These are all big, clean flats in pretty good areas (Whitechapel has a reputation but if you visit it you find that it's very much out of date) not too far out of the city. That's a lot more money than you'd pay for something similar in the suburbs or most other cities, but it's not absolutely impossible.
(I'm using this tax calculator, btw.
My friend has a two bedroom flat in a gated development in Whitechapel, ten minutes' walk from the financial district. £600pm. Another friend has a two-bedroom flat, fully furnished, in Penge, zone 3, £650pm. My partner's own rented room in West Ham, which is zone 3 but has excellent transport connections, is £300pm including bills. My houseguest recently went to look at 2 rooms in shared flats, zone 2: one was £320pm inc, one was £345pm inc. Two friends of mine rent an absolutely gorgeous one-bedroom flat with a balcony in Camden - not a cheap area - for £700.
These are all big, clean flats in pretty good areas (Whitechapel has a reputation but if you visit it you find that it's very much out of date) not too far out of the city. That's a lot more money than you'd pay for something similar in the suburbs or most other cities, but it's not absolutely impossible.
scifisam
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Blagsta said:
You caught me out, I'm lying! I must be! Despite the fact that you can check for yourself that that's how much student teachers get. Like I said, I have fairly cheap rent, so that helps a lot.
I am in a bit of debt - well, a few hundred, but that's mainly down to problems with the student loans company (who have, as I mentioned before, additionally paid me about £1000 net this year, which has covered childcare). I couldn't live on this wage forever - it's only bearable because I know it'll lead to a decent wage. In any case, it's a lot less than half the 'living wage' proposed.
I still don't understand how £1,388pm net is so hard to live on if you're renting (buying's a different matter). Council tax, rent, transport, food, bills, I'm adding them up and not coming to anywhere near that.
I guess this is a very good example of a question where Your Mileage Really Does Vary.
citydreams
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Blagsta said:
you can survive in London on no money..
anyway, ScifiSam isn't claiming to be living on only £6k.. that is for the 10 months of the PGCE for which she has also taken out a £1k loan and has accumulated in the space of a couple of months a few hundred quid debts.
gaijingirl
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I get the same 6k bursary. You get £666.67 every month. I have to admit if I had to pay my rent and bills out of that (which, luckily, I don't really), I'm not sure how I'd manage - cheap rent or otherwise. However, I believe ScifiSam when she says she does. That is pretty impressive though.
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