A Living Wage For London

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by citydreams, Jun 6, 2006.

  1. Hollis

    Hollis Bloody furious

    But the threads a living wage for London.

    Every city you get more or less expensive areas..
     
  2. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    Not quite the same though is it? Having social networks is a neccessity for humans to have good emotional and physical health. Being near Georgian arhcitecture isn't...
     
  3. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    Hollis<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------>my point
     
  4. Hollis

    Hollis Bloody furious


    No - the point is that we're discussing a living wage for London. You now want a wage that allows you to live in Brixton. Unfortunatly Brixton is now a fashionable area - so everybody pays a premium to live there (unless they've got social housing).

    Its the way the housing market works - even in small towns.
     
  5. Monkeynuts

    Monkeynuts Hello sailor

    I was planning on installing them in the area too, seeing as they also enjoy Georgian architecture to a greater or lesser degree. Besides, several live in Forest Hill anyway which is only down the road.

    My physical health will be much improved by Dulwich's verdant lawns and lanes - that and the regular early morning swims in my private pool!

    My emotional health will also benefit as I acquire a beatific sense of contentment with my lot, and I do find pebbledash so depressing...:p
     
  6. scifisam

    scifisam feck! arse! girls! drink!

    OK, that all makes sense to me. Mind, I wasn't actually the one was arguing against people who buy to let - that was someone else; I was simply trying to get a point of agreement on the fact that 'some people buy to let.' So you're persuading the wrong person. :)

    If someone wanted to live where their friends are and that happened to be, say Kensington, then I'd laugh and laugh and show them gumtree.com. However, Brixton really isn't at the top rung of the ladder as an area, is it?

    I'm surprised Brixton's so much more expensive than Bethnal Green/Hoxton. It's very trendy and very close to the city, with good transport connections, lots of parks, etc. Both places have equally bad reputations. They have a lot of similarities, in my eyes, so why the difference in prices?

    Blagsta, I think you need to encourage your friends to move with you to Bethnal Green, buy a house together (there are still quite a few actual *gasp* houses here) and divide it into flats that are actually decent flats by your own standards. Yay, solution! :D

    But keep quiet about it being a good place to live, please, the house price demons might hear you.

    Otherwise, I've come to think that your idea of a minimum living wage is based on an ideal, not a reality - and it's an ideal that is far better than most people's ideal for a basic (living, not survival only) way of life. For the purposes of this thread, which is about a living wage, it's best to base the wage on reality rather than on an ideal model.
     
  7. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    Yes and my point is that its not right,
     
  8. Monkeynuts

    Monkeynuts Hello sailor

    Amen.

    And the multicultural equivalents.

    Here endeth the lesson.
     
  9. Hollis

    Hollis Bloody furious

    So you'd like to be able to afford a place anywhere in London you choose - Hampstead, St John's Wood, Notting Hill.. ?

    Its never worked that way.. and to change it you'll need to change human psychology.
     
  10. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    i think you missed the point
     
  11. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    why would i want to do that?
     
  12. scifisam

    scifisam feck! arse! girls! drink!

    Sorry, was being frivolous for the moment. It was an outlandish solution so that you could own your own home but live near your friends, and it wasn't intended to be taken seriously.
     
  13. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    I don't think its right that having less money means that you have to live in crap accomodation.
     
  14. scifisam

    scifisam feck! arse! girls! drink!

    And I don't think that a 2-bed flat - or even a one-bed flat - for two people is crap accomodation. Stalemate.
     
  15. Monkeynuts

    Monkeynuts Hello sailor

    It doesn't. It means you have to live in less central and less fashionable areas.

    You earn a below average salary so should not be surprised to find yourself in a below average position. Capitalism in action and all that.

    I do agree though that loads more affordable housing of a decent standard is required to redress the imbalances in the market. No-one should have to live in sub-standard accommodation, I'm sure we all agree.
     
  16. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    Actually our flat is very nice. Just a bit expensive. I do think a one bed flat for a couple is too small though. My main point is about the outrageous rent prices. I can't believe that people think rents in London are reasonable. :confused:
     
  17. LDR

    LDR kiwitanga

    They're not.

    I was quite shocked that our mortgage for our three bedroom terraced house was a few hundred quid less than the rent we were paying for a so-so one bedroom flat. :eek:

    The property market is so shocking the way it favours the rich. It's incredibly unfair. :mad:
     
  18. scifisam

    scifisam feck! arse! girls! drink!

    They are not as unreasonable as their reputation would have you believe, and they're not unique to London. Witness the poster earlier who talked about the costs in Bath.

    An aside: over on another thread, someone has just accused me of stating that someone on £30k wouldn't be able to afford to rent (I said nothing of the sort, nor anything related to it). You have to laugh.
     
  19. Giles

    Giles Well-Known Member

    For some reason, one beds always seem to cost the most "per bedroom" to rent (or to buy, actually).

    Bigger flats are ALWAYS far cheaper "per occupant" to rent or buy. So you would expect the mortgage to be a fair bit less.

    Generally though, for someone buying-to-let in London now, it is almost impossible to actually cover the mortgage with the rent. Some people are still piling in and are prepared to fund up the difference in the mortgage and the rent from their own money, in the hope of capital growth. A dangerous strategy, I think.

    We haven't bought anywhere to rent out in London since 2000, and the last few we DID buy were cheap because they were "unusual" places that not many people saw the point of buying.

    Giles..
     
  20. smokedout

    smokedout criminal

    blagsta im sorry, i cant believe how full of shit you are, what youre saying is fucking unbelievable

    i dare you to go on libcom and start a thread about how hard done by you are because you can only afford two holidays abroad and struggle to have a spare room for all your possessions, a private therapist, beer and to live in precisely the area you want to live

    i find it funny that you quote commen people, you obviously missed the point of that song, it was about people like you who think youre one of us mate

    thats because your a wanker, no-one else seems to

    are you prepared to answer the question about what would happen to the environment if everyojne on the planet had a right to a spare room and two foreign holidays a year

    no you aint because your a spoilt little brat who wants it all on a plate without thought as to how that would affect the rest of society, because all you acre about is your supposed indulgencies wiothout a though as to how that would actually affect the planet

    i dare you to go into a working class boozer and follow this line of argument

    my guess is you wouldnt walk out

    your just a typical middle class pseudo socialist without a cloe or a care about the rest of the world as long as you get your private therapy, two holidays, spare room, chance to but a house, a room full of books and music, broadband, mobile phone and all the other things you think you need

    i hope i never end up working with you, your clients must hate you, theyll never tell you of course, they need you, but youre exactly the sort of twat who drags the sector down

    i bet you think your great dont you, helping the poor, youre a typical new labour little england wanker who hasnt a fucking clue how most people live

    your attitude came through when i pointed out i was trying to raise a child on 80 quid a week and you said i had an ego problem

    i tried to ignore that, but ive heard enough, get a fucking grip and learn something about the reality of the world before you call yourself a socailsist again, youre about as much a socialist as tony blair, you care more about your middle class angst than those genuinely suffering

    cos youve never had to suffer so you dont know what its like

    and if everyone on the planet had your lifestyle then the planet wouldnt last that long

    not that its likely to anyway thanks to twats like you
     
  21. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    It's a simple matter of square meterage. All the shared functions of a house have to be replicated for every one bed flat. For example, my shared four bed house, if split into flats, would convert into 1x one bed and 1x two bed flats. This is what makes one bed flats so expensive, and student halls so cheap.
     
  22. smokedout

    smokedout criminal

    just to add for all the talk of median and mean

    the most relevent analysis for me is the mode

    that is the average salary that is most frequently reported, ie, what most people are actually earning, a statistic rarely recorded, i cant find it anywhere, but one which would show what the most comment average salary in the uk is without it being skwed in any way by the super rich/rich/upper middle class class

    i would guess that this figure would be significantly lower than the figures posted

    because commen sense says to me that more people work in supermarkets and as busdrivers than earn 25k

    notice blagsta hasnt anwsered yet, whats the betting his out on the piss spending his poverty wages
     
  23. Ant79

    Ant79 E1

    Prices in London are not reasonable if you simply compare the property itself with a propert of the same price somewhere else.

    That's because you're not just paying for the bricks and mortar, but you're paying for bricks and mortar AND to have a home within spitting distance of thousands of shops, bars and restaurants, huge and beautiful parks and rivers, World Heritage Sites, world-class museums, a comparitively enormous number of job opportunities, excellent public transport (no matter how much we complain about it), theatres, galleries, amazing markets, spectacular architecture.... etc. etc.

    So a 1 bed flat in London might cost twice as much as a 1 bed flat in some small market town 60 miles outside of London, but that's because there you're paying for bricks and mortar and a home where there really isn't an awful lot of things to do within 30 minutes of your front door.
     
  24. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    If you're not going to do me the courtesy of actually reading and thinking about my posts, then quite frankly I can't be bothered anymore. Welcome to my ignore list.
     
  25. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    I'm glad someone has the good grace to read my posts properly. Someone who doesn't feel the need to go on about how radical and anarcho-socialist they are while defending the rights of landlords and rich people who own 3 properties.
     
  26. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage


    Oh. Well that makes it OK then. Phew!
     
  27. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    Errrr...they are actually.

    Yes, there is a problem with rent prices in the SE generally.
     
  28. PacificOcean

    PacificOcean Unhinged User


    It's the other way round for me. Our new mortage payments are more than we were paying to rent a flat and we have had to move from Aldgate to Enfield Lock to be able to afford something.
     
  29. Hollis

    Hollis Bloody furious

    Yeah - with house prices higher now, most people will be paying atleast as much in interest, as rent. Also you've all the repair and maintenance to factor in.

    Its all to do with the fundamentals of demand exceededing supply for housing.
     
  30. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    Would that be one of the these albums then:

    1986 "Freaks"
    2001 "We Love Life"

    And as for you Blagsta, how about these Pulp singles:

    "Wishful Thinking" (1983)
    "You're a Nightmare" (1993)
    and
    "Cocaine Socialism" (1998)

    ;)
     

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