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A Living Wage For London

Monkeynuts

Hello sailor
robotsimon said:
Yes, but I know what a mean is. However, nationally, the real situation is not what you describe as you will have, say, a thousand people earning £20,000 for every one person earing £100,000. In that hypothetical situation, the mean earnings of these 1001 people would be £20,079.
And the median £20 000! So even more appropriate:D
 

Blagsta

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robotsimon said:
No, what you would like is a large two bedroomed flat so you and your partner can fit all your lovely books in it.
If you're not going to read the thread properly, then why bother at all?
 

robotsimon

New Member
well, I read the bit where you said this:
blagsta said:
Tiny one bed flat? You're having a Stefi mate. Two people and a cat, one who is currently studying (as well as working full time), the other starting a course in September (as well as working full time), with all the stuff (books, music etc) that people in their 30's accumulate, in a tiny one bed flat? Are you serious?
and the bit where you said this:
blagsta said:
If two people are sharing a flat not as partners, then they have a 2 bedroom flat. Then what if they get together? They don't suddenly have less stuff, have less need for space.
From my reading of your posts on this thread it seems that you feel it is necessary for you and your partner to have a two bedroomed flat because, partly at least, you have a lot of books and music.
 

Blagsta

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robotsimon said:
well, I read the bit where you said this:

and the bit where you said this:


From my reading of your posts on this thread it seems that you feel it is necessary for you and your partner to have a two bedroomed flat because, partly at least, you have a lot of books and music.

If your defintion of "reading the thread" is to selectively quote things out of context, then fuck off out of the thread.
 

Blagsta

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robotsimon said:
dear oh dear
I take it then that you're not going to bother reading properly? I take it then that you just want a row. You can have one if you want.
 

arty

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Blagsta said:
I can tell that thinking things through isn't really your strong point. I'm not neccesarily demanding higher wages. I would like rents to be fairer, I would like the property market to stop being inflated by people buying property to let and dividing it up into tiny box room flats. I would like the cost of basic utilities to be fairer and for the utility companies to make less obscene profits (or preferably re-nationalise).
and what happens when less houses are divided up into small flats blagsta?
prices go up ffs, it ain't that hard to work out.

no ones arguing with you about utility prices or executive salaries, so do you need to keep bringing it up?

I don't have much sympathy for people whinging about credit card debt. yes, maybe student loan debt could be included in determining a living wage, but as for debts run up on credit cards because you, by your own admission, took holidays when you didn't have the money for it - do me a favour.

all the rest just comes down to the fact that you need much more than most to feel that you have a life that is enjoyable. Probably because you're spoilt and expect too much.
 

robotsimon

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Blagsta said:
I take it then that you're not going to bother reading properly? I take it then that you just want a row. You can have one if you want.
I have no interest whatsoever in having a row (like a married couple, how sweet) with you. I believe it was you who told me to "fuck off out of this thread".

I admit that my reading of this thread has been, perhaps, imperfect. It is rather long. Furthermore, you are correct in as much as you have made many other comments on various issues in this thread, some of which I agree with and some I do not. However, I did not feel particularly strongly about those comments so I have not chosen to respond to them.

Your comments about your perceived need for larger accomodation, however, I thought were laughable which is why I have chosen to respond to them. Anyway, not much to be gained from continuing this, I'll let you have the last word.
 

Blagsta

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So by your own admission, you haven't read the thread properly, but this doesn't stop you knowing what my argument is?
 

Giles

Well-Known Member
Blagsta said:
I can tell that thinking things through isn't really your strong point. I'm not neccesarily demanding higher wages. I would like rents to be fairer, I would like the property market to stop being inflated by people buying property to let and dividing it up into tiny box room flats.
I think that most of the process of dividing large London houses into several flats was done in the 70s and early 80s.

Now, a whole house in many parts of London can be worth more than the three flats it was divided up into. There have been several cases of people buying all the flats and making them back into a family home.

Giles..
 

Blagsta

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Giles said:
I think that most of the process of dividing large London houses into several flats was done in the 70s and early 80s.

Now, a whole house in many parts of London can be worth more than the three flats it was divided up into. There have been several cases of people buying all the flats and making them back into a family home.

Giles..
Naaah, its still happening in parts of Brixton. We went to see a few when we were looking to move last year. A lot of developers have chopped up what may have been 2 bed flats into really tiny shoddy 1 beds.
 

Kanda

Diving wanker
arty said:
no ones arguing with you about utility prices or executive salaries, so do you need to keep bringing it up?
Since when has 22k been an executive salary??? (Or anywhere near that for that matter)
 

Blagsta

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arty said:
and what happens when less houses are divided up into small flats blagsta?
prices go up ffs, it ain't that hard to work out.

no ones arguing with you about utility prices or executive salaries, so do you need to keep bringing it up?

I don't have much sympathy for people whinging about credit card debt. yes, maybe student loan debt could be included in determining a living wage, but as for debts run up on credit cards because you, by your own admission, took holidays when you didn't have the money for it - do me a favour.

all the rest just comes down to the fact that you need much more than most to feel that you have a life that is enjoyable. Probably because you're spoilt and expect too much.
Spoilt? Ha! That's right, I had it all as a kid I did. :rolleyes:

I'm absolutely astounded at the amount of people who are happy to work their arses off and have very little to show for it. Working just to pay rent and bills is bollocks.
 

Kanda

Diving wanker
arty said:
it isn't Kanda, who said it was, what are u on about?
The average salarys banded about in this thread is the mid 20k's... Blagsta saying it's a shit wage to live in London, I agree it's a shit wage. Where did you get arguing executive salaries from?
 

arty

New Member
Blagsta said:
Spoilt? Ha! That's right, I had it all as a kid I did. :rolleyes:

I'm absolutely astounded at the amount of people who are happy to work their arses off and have very little to show for it. Working just to pay rent and bills is bollocks.

yes, it's bollocks. being on a "living wage" for your whole life isn't ideal, it's probably bollocks as you say.

and round and round we go....
 

Giles

Well-Known Member
Blagsta said:
Naaah, its still happening in parts of Brixton. We went to see a few when we were looking to move last year. A lot of developers have chopped up what may have been 2 bed flats into really tiny shoddy 1 beds.
What? Dividing existing flats into smaller flats? Or dividing a previously whole house into lots of small flats?

In any case, it is precisely the high cost and lack of flats for people living on their own that much of this thread has been about, hasn't it?

That, and how people don't see why they should live in a house-share after the age of 30 or so.....

Given this, surely creating 5 one bed flats out of a £1/2m house is a good thing, no? (although I fully accept that the person doing it is not doing so for reasons of altruism).

Giles..
 

Blagsta

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Depends how its done. We saw some really tiny shoddy conversions with no room to swing a cat and cheap ass MDF for £850pcm. Thats a piss take, but people pay it.
 

Hollis

Bloody furious
Blagsta said:
Depends how its done. We saw some really tiny shoddy conversions with no room to swing a cat and cheap ass MDF for £850pcm. Thats a piss take, but people pay it.
Well in Wood Green you could get a 2 bed house fully furnished for that much.
 

Hollis

Bloody furious
Blagsta said:
Yeah, but the who the hell wants to live in Wood Green?
Well its your choice then isn't it.. you can live in a rabbit hutch or get decent housing in a less fashionable area.
 

Blagsta

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Monkeynuts said:
Not me I must admit, but you're not doing yourself any favours here.

A lot of people might feel the same about Brixton!
Well this is entirely the point - people on low wages have little choice when it comes to accomodation. I don't think thats right.
 

Monkeynuts

Hello sailor
Blagsta said:
Well this is entirely the point - people on low wages have little choice when it comes to accomodation. I don't think thats right.
Well, it is a bit inevitable. Even if prices across the board were lower there would still be a spectrum of prices from Mayfair to Thornton Heath, reflecting convenience, architecture, amenities, snob appeal etc etc. You can't really expect everywhere to cost the same.

Perhaps what it really comes down to is not feeling that one is at an appropriate point on the scale in relation to one's status, education, efforts etc!

The focus really should be on improving the less nice areas for the benefit of all those who live there and improving the quality of accommodation, by construction of more affordable housing and by better control of the worst excesses of the private sector.
 

Blagsta

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Monkeynuts said:
Well, it is a bit inevitable. Even if prices across the board were lower there would still be a spectrum of prices from Mayfair to Thornton Heath, reflecting convenience, architecture, amenities, snob appeal etc etc. You can't really expect everywhere to cost the same.
After the revolution, we won't have money. ;)

Monkeynuts said:
Perhaps what it really comes down to is not feeling that one is at an appropriate point on the scale in relation to one's status, education, efforts etc!
Hmmmm...maybe. Probably in fact.

Monkeynuts said:
The focus really should be on improving the less nice areas for the benefit of all those who live there and improving the quality of accommodation, by construction of more affordable housing and by better control of the worst excesses of the private sector.
Agreed.
 

Blagsta

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Hollis said:
Well its your choice then isn't it.. you can live in a rabbit hutch or get decent housing in a less fashionable area.
The point is that I want to live in Brixton. Nowt to do with it being fashionable (is it?), more to do with it being where my friends live.
 

Monkeynuts

Hello sailor
Blagsta said:
The point is that I want to live in Brixton. Nowt to do with it being fashionable (is it?), more to do with it being where my friends live.
Fair enough. I quite fancy Dulwich Village as I dig Georgian architecture. Somwhere round the British Museum / Bloomsbury area would be OK too as it would be handy for work;)
 
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