A day in the life

[Fedayn]

Nice work failing to bold and hysterically underline the bit about "there are good people who do good jobs".

My evidence is purely anecdotal, having worked in the public sector for 5 years both in the NHS and for Social Services. I've seen people do almost nothing for weeks on end, turn up late, go home early, and generally just not give a shit. I understand why they don't, it's demoralising working for less money than you could be paid elsewhere, for very little reward, often while being poorly managed.

There are social workers who care about their cases and who work incredibly hard. But in my experience, they're in the minority. Working for Social Services grinds you down.

Hmmm... because as a public sector worker I am well aware that people do good jobs, I don't need to be told thanks. Though i'll tell it to the staff who are looking at a 9% pay cut over the next 3 years that you realise they might do a good job.

So why put the words everyone then? If you didn't mean it why use it? Or are we supposed to work out that when you say everyone you don't actually mean everyone?

You also said that the good staff are outnumbered by those who don't give a fuck. So you either think everyone is a lazy workshy skiver or just the majority? Which is it.

Aaah yeah anecdotal evidence.... So generalising about hundreds of thousands of people simply as a result of your own experience..... I think that's a stereotype but hey they're only public sector workers.

Given you say you worked in the public sector then perhaps I thought you might have a little less generalised attitude about low paid staff. I'm pretty sure you'd jump on my words, and rightly so, f I made negative generalisations about deaf people?!

 

[mrsfran]

Alright, calm down. I can only go by my experience. My husband works in the public sector and is looking at a 5% pay rise in the next few months, so you can stop telling me everyone in the public sector is looking at dramatic pay cuts.

I do not think that everyone who works in the public sector is a lazy work-shy skiver, you're the one using those overly-emotive staw man words, not me. In my experience, those who really care about their jobs and work hard every day are outnumbered by those who don't.

And brining up deaf people as an appeal isn't really going to work. Some negative generalisations about deaf people are true, in my experience. For example, were you to say "deaf people are really loud in pubs!", I would agree with you. Because it is generally true. Negative does not equal wrong.

However, I understand that this is an emotive issue for you and don't want to argue with you. So I accept that in your view public sector workers all work hard and don't go home early and all really care about their jobs, if you will accept that my experience differs.

 

[Fedayn]

Alright, calm down. I can only go by my experience. My husband works in the public sector and is looking at a 5% pay rise in the next few months, so you can stop telling me everyone in the public sector is looking at dramatic pay cuts.

Where did I say everyone in the public sector is getting a pay cut? Do at least read what you disagree with, here's what I said "Or those workshy cunts like my workmates in the DWP, 80% of whom got a real terms pay cut over 3 years, which by the end of the imposed 3 year deal will be a cut of 9% for some "

Note the use of 'some' and '80%' and NOT the use of everyone getting a pay cut. Simple enough really?! I'm getting a pay rise, another reason I didn't say everyone.

I do not think that everyone who works in the public sector is a lazy work-shy skiver, you're the one using those overly-emotive staw man words, not me. In my experience, those who really care about their jobs and work hard every day are outnumbered by those who don't.

You used this phrase, try and remember your own words.... "then see everyone buggering off at 4 and just slide into that apathetic couldn't-give-a-fuck attitude"

So if you don't think that why say it? Your words remember?

And brining up deaf people as an appeal isn't really going to work. Some negative generalisations about deaf people are true, in my experience. For example, were you to say "deaf people are really loud in pubs!", I would agree with you. Because it is generally true. Negative does not equal wrong.

I don't think loud in pubs is a negative but that's an opinion. it may not be wrong in that context but your use in this is generalising about things you cannot possibly do. Indeed you admitted you had merely your own experience to go by, qwhich as i'm sure you'll agree is limited to that and cannot be simply applied across the hundreds of thousands of civil servants/public sector workers.

However, I understand that this is an emotive issue for you and don't want to argue with you. So I accept that in your view public sector workers all work hard and don't go home early and all really care about their jobs, if you will accept that my experience differs.

You don't say? Perhaps it's because your making claims about people you've never met and passing them off as fact, claims about people who you've never seen, heard of or worked with but in your view they're probably lazy because in your world the majority are lazy. Yes your experience in your time differs, fine, no problem. But you then claimed that your experience meant everyone. I have simply asked for this claim to be backed yup, you failed to do so.
Fuck sake this is like knitting water, I never said anything of the sort about public sector workers. Only you, remember, get it?, used the word everyone. I simply questioned your claims. I am well aware, that like every other business/workplace/office there are lazy twats. I never said there wasn't and I never said all public sector workers were anything in fact. You were the one generalising not me. Try to remember that eh?!
And yes some staff do leave at 4pm, some even earlier, we have flexitime. Sorry that we won that after campaigns. But not everyone leaves when you claim.... me included.

 

[Santino]

Where did I say everyone in the publis sector is getting a pay cut. Do at least read what you disagree with, here's what I said "Or those workshy cunts like my workmates in the DWP, 80% of whom got a real terms pay cut over 3 years, which by the end of the imposed 3 year deal will be a cut of 9% for some "

Note the use of 'some' and '80%' and NOT the use of everyone getting a pay cut. Simple enough really?! I'm getting a pay rise, another reason I didn't say everyone.



You used this phrase, try and remember your own words.... "then see everyone buggering off at 4 and just slide into that apathetic couldn't-give-a-fuck attitude"

So if you don't think that why say it? Your words remember?



I don't think loud in pubs is a negative but that's an opinion. it may not be wrong in that context but your use in this is generalising about things you cannot possibly do. Indeed you admitted you had merely your own experience to go by, qwhich as i'm sure you'll agree is limited to that and cannot be simply ignorantly applied across the hundreds of thousands of civil servants.



You don't say? Perhaps it's because your making claims about people you've never met and passing them off as fact, claims about people who you've never seen, heard of or worked with but in your vierw they're probably lazy because in your world the majority are lazy.
Fuck sake this is like knitting water, I never said anything of the sort about public sector workers. Only you, remember, get it?, used the word everyone. I simply questioned your claims. I am well aware, that like every other business/workplace/office there are lazy twats. I never said there wasn't and I never said all puiblic sector workers were anything in fact. You were the one generalising not me. Try to remember that eh?!
And yes some staff do leave at 4pm, sonme earlier, we have flexitime. Sorry that we won that after campaigns. But not everyone leaves when you claim.... me included.

Chill, Winston.

 

[lighterthief]

Have to say from my experience in the public sector I was shocked by how little work some* people did. One of them was quite open about how she was counting down to when she could draw her (final salary) pension - which was still five years away! She was perhaps the laziest person I have ever seen.

* note some - not all.

 

[Fedayn]

Chill, Winston.

I know....

 

[Fedayn]

Have to say from my experience in the public sector I was shocked by how little work some* people did. One of them was quite open about how she was counting down to when she could draw her (final salary) pension - which was still five years away! She was perhaps the laziest person I have ever seen.

* note some - not all.

I used to work with a manger who was very similar.

 

[sim667]

I work in the public sector and i dont think the OP has got it quite right (well the situation described isnt mine anyway).....

Where i work we have to do a lot of 'favors' i.e. staying for late evenings, working weekends and unpaid training..... so we do try and take the time of in lieu.

does that make sense? (Although i do get more holiday and better pay working for the public sector).

 

[bigbry]

Yeah they should obviously just top themselves

It's probably seen by many as a perk, since they don't get many of the things associated with private sector jobs such as promotion and decent pay opportunites, free cars, private health insurance, paid-for Christmas dinners or whatever..

Which private sector jobs are these ? I work in the private sector and don't recognise this !

 

[spacemonkey]

I temped for an un-named government agency once, after a couple of weeks fairly heavy workload finishing a project I basically got left with nothing to do. My line manager went on the sick, so I sat browsing the internet for about 2 weeks and nobody noticed.

Absolute joke. I was saving to go travelling though, therefore happy to sit there doing fuck all for a few weeks rather than them find out there was no work and get rid of me. I reckon some people had that level of workload for years. I'd go insane.

 

[_angel_]

I temped for an un-named government agency once, after a couple of weeks fairly heavy workload finishing a project I basically got left with nothing to do. My line manager went on the sick, so I sat browsing the internet for about 2 weeks and nobody noticed.

Absolute joke. I was saving to go travelling though, therefore happy to sit there doing fuck all for a few weeks rather than them find out there was no work and get rid of me. I reckon some people had that level of workload for years. I'd go insane.

I temped for about four months for the valuation office and something similar happened --- they didn't have enough for us all to do although I did try very hard to find stuff to do, trying to find stuff to do was more hassle than really having loads to do.

However also temped in a council office and didn't do any more or less work than in a private company, the only noticeable difference was everyone there was some kind of weirdo.

 

[Looby]

Well I can assure you that since all the office closures and job cuts things are very different now. There aren't enough staff and too much work so me and my colleagues are working our fucking arses off and being treated like shit for crap money and no recognition.

 

[Homeless Mal]

I temped for about four months for the valuation office and something similar happened --- they didn't have enough for us all to do although I did try very hard to find stuff to do, trying to find stuff to do was more hassle than really having loads to do.

However also temped in a council office and didn't do any more or less work than in a private company, the only noticeable difference was everyone there was some kind of weirdo.

Aint that the truth