A celebration of Feminism - as a female what has it meant for you?

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by JudithB, Jun 25, 2019.

  1. FabricLiveBaby!

    FabricLiveBaby! Live Baby Fabric!

    I've seen on social media the preffered term is FARTs now (Feminist Appropriating Radical Transphobe),apparently.

    It's like being back at school. "Scabby Speccy Boffin 4 Eyed Loser", "Try-hard Educated Random Freak"

    Fuckin Sad. From adults n all.

    But then we all know how Post Modernists and liberals like to play with language in order to be "liberating". 7 different classes which we can all move between freely. Leftism=freedom of choice.

    "It's all in your mind dude, shit maybe there aint no real!"

    "Go for an aura reading and some crystal healing" BLAH BLAH BLAH. Magical thinking bollocks meets the playground.

    Everyone knows who the females are.
     
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  2. JudithB

    JudithB Active Member

    Yep

    Let's see them talking this shite to the males...
     
  3. FabricLiveBaby!

    FabricLiveBaby! Live Baby Fabric!

    Anways, feminism for me meant finally understanding where my disphoria came from and no longer hankering to get my womb and ovaries removed because they made me feel like subhuman scum.

    No longer wanted no tits at all, and at the same time no longer felt that it mattered if I never I grew to at least a C sized bra.

    Feminism made me realise that I wasn't a freako for not enjoying make up and finding high heels stupid and uncomfortable. That I wasn't an odd kid for preferring Design Technology over Fashion, or the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band instead of Take That. For understanding that clothes don't make the woman. That femininity don't make the woman. And that spending loads of money in order to become accepted and valued is a stupid, pointless endeavor.

    Feminism made me realise that it was REALLY OK to be female and not worry about what penis people thought of you. It also made me realise that it was REALLY OK to be different. That my body was OK, as is. That I was OK. That there's nothing wrong with being a female human (I still tell myself this every day... do I believe it, yes and no... another thread) And that classes are a real thing. And that a female body is really important to recognise in order to stop what happened to me happening to others.

    Feminism made me feel human again, and made me realise that bodies are just bodies and that capitalism lives through female oppression.

    So colour me TERF/FART.... or actually you might as well just call me "SCABBY GABI" again. Whatevs. It's the same shit 30 years later.
     
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  4. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    Another reason to give social media a swerve!
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

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  6. Cloo

    Cloo Surfeit of lampreys

    I am starting to apply things I’ve learned from feminism to my life now. For example, my other half can have a shitty temper sometimes, and without feminism I might have started teaching my kids (daughter especially) ‘Don’t do X [otherwise innocuous thing] because it winds your dad up’ but when I find myself thinking I might say that I realise that I do not want to teach her that she is responsible for managing men’s anger. Because what starts that way ends up in adult life as ‘Well I suppose he only punched me because I made him angry by loading the dishwasher too loudly while he watching the football’ or whatever.

    I have indeed told him that I won’t teach her that kind of thing and why.

    And it has made me stand up for myself a lot more, and calmly, when he loses his temper (something that used to cause me to cower) because I don’t want to show my kids that you just give in to the shoutier, angrier person and you don’t have to combat it by being louder and angrier.
     
  7. ElizabethofYork

    ElizabethofYork Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    I don't agree. Of course men can be feminists.
     
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  8. TopCat

    TopCat It's hard now...do it faster

    Lucy Parsons was right about so much. A fearless leader, passionate orator and an inspiration to me all my adult life
     
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  9. ElizabethofYork

    ElizabethofYork Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    Incredibly, I've never heard of her. Off to do some research.
     
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  10. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Sassy McFlashy

    There are so many assumptions, stereotypes, condescension and extremes in this it's difficult to know where to start with it. Gaia are these rules about who and who isn't oppressed or can be a feminist only being leveled at Judith because of her posts here or do you apply them to all of us women who don't live in 'developing countries'?
     
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  11. TopCat

    TopCat It's hard now...do it faster

    Can a Tory woman be a Feminist?
     
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  12. campanula

    campanula plant a seed

    Yes, they can identify as a feminist, claim they are adopting a feminist perspective. However, what does this mean? Feminism is not a dogmatic set of theoretical and practical positions which must be adopted at all times. There are many flavours of feminism...with different priorities. I would call myself a Marxist-feminist...i f I had to adopt a specific political label...so my perspective would differ from a Tory one...yet there may still be overlap in some areas...inasmuch as we may both have specific concerns about women's health (for example) but I would expect my understanding to be overlaid with a structural awareness of power inbalances...which would lead to a lot of divergence in our particular frames of reference.
     
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  13. Cloo

    Cloo Surfeit of lampreys

    They can be, but I do find often even those who identify as feminists will find some of women's self-described experiences 'a step too far' to accept as real problems. Especially if it's something where their behaviour may have been complicit.
     
  14. campanula

    campanula plant a seed

    In general, TopCat, I find I am seeking commonalities and shared priorities more and more, these days, because I am fucking sick to death of divisive politics, sectarian cliques and ideological purity.
     
  15. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Sassy McFlashy

    Unless you don't believe in equal rights and justice for women you are, like it or not, a feminist. Humanist and Feminist aren't conflicting positions.

    You may not describe yourself as one, you may not like the idea of 'feminism' but you are one unless you specifically believe women to be lesser, deserve less etc.

    I find it odd that women will jump through these theoretical hoops to denounce 'feminism' and distance themselves from it. I always feel that it's done to signal to men, not other women. 'Oh i'm not like those women...'

    There's also the massive point about you yourself being a woman and as such are benefiting from 'feminism', battles fought and won, battles being fought now etc...
     
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  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    i see you've been back, JudithB, and since you solicited an opinion from me i'm surprised you haven't commented on it
     
  17. Poot

    Poot Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk

    That's an interesting question and may be answered differently by different people but I don't think a Tory CAN be a feminist. Tories just don't do equity. Most of the Tory women that I know would tell you that they aren't feminists anyway. They're fond of keeping people in their place for the most part, Tories.
     
  18. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

  19. Poot

    Poot Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk

    I have a tshirt that claims I'm Wonderwoman.
     
  20. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    I have a tshirt that says: I still hate Thatcher
    I'm thinking of adding an 'ism' at the end of that.

    I would say for many years Tories were anti feminist, anti women, anti queer, pro patriachal family values, keeping us all in our place, etc etc. No idea what the fuck they stand for now.
     
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  21. mango5

    mango5 Endeavour era

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  22. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    I remember buying that back mag in the day

    I'd never heard of 56a Infoshop - it sounds great, I had no idea that place existed. I must go and have a look. Thanks mango5
     
  23. mango5

    mango5 Endeavour era

    Oh yes the infoshop in Walworth has a great archive, always good to pick up the Past Tense calendar and radical pamphlets.
     
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