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8ball

Having a teeny break
People always say this. That if you get rid of cars shopping areas will die, trade will go away, people will go elsewhere.
You don't think there will be any uptick for out of town shopping?
Tbf, we've got Brexit on the way, so it's not a very clean experiment...

(both will continue to lose out to the internet anyhoo)
 

beesonthewhatnow

going deaf for a living
You don't think there will be any uptick for out of town shopping?
Not really. Anything you want from those places can be acquired online. If you remove cars from the centre it opens it up to become a more attractive place to visit for social reasons, with an associated growth in small business and shops. As I said, have a google for places things like this have been done.
 

beesonthewhatnow

going deaf for a living
I've cerated a separate thread for this as I reckon it deserves more attention than it will get in here...

Plus I can't wait to see the outrage from certain posters round here :D
 

8ball

Having a teeny break
Not really. Anything you want from those places can be acquired online. If you remove cars from the centre it opens it up to become a more attractive place to visit for social reasons, with an associated growth in small business and shops. As I said, have a google for places things like this have been done.
Ah - I missed where it said they were pedestrianising, as opposed to fiddling with speed limits and stopping through traffic - mea culpa. :oops:

Yeah, pedestrianisation can make it a nicer place and somewhere that gets used differently. Whereas if you only mess with the traffic flow I think you're mainly going to lose people going in and out (and especially across) for something heavy/cumbersome, with little gain in terms of making the place more pleasant to hang out.

As you were. :facepalm:
 

Artaxerxes

Well-Known Member
Birmingham centre roads are a bit of a dystopian nightmare as is and while removing cars can only improve them I’m not sure that public transport is up to the job of replacing all traffic to Birmingham currently.
 

Smokeandsteam

Exiting the Vampire Castle
Birmingham centre roads are a bit of a dystopian nightmare as is and while removing cars can only improve them I’m not sure that public transport is up to the job of replacing all traffic to Birmingham currently.
Give me an example of where you think that's the case.
 

purenarcotic

Conveniently Pocket Sized
The plans seem simple to me:

1. If you want to come into town use public transport, which will have priority on the roads
2. if you are in town walk or cycle (and maybe even get a bit healthier)
3. The promotion of walking and cycling where we all live where 25% of car journeys are less than a mile.

I think it's a really radical and necessary plan. It is also one where there is no alternative - the growth in the size of the population and the number of cars means that the current approach is not sustainable. Neither is more road building sensible or advisable.

The ongoing crisis in retail meaning we need to think again about what it is we actually want city centres to do. The centre of Birmingham is grim as fuck at night . People drive in and drive home again and the place is deserted by 7.00pm. If you want people to use the space, live in it and so on then you've got to make it a better place.


There is no good reason for anyone to use their car in town tbf.
Using the children’s hospital? Have mobility issues?

I am all for encouraging people to use public transport and I don’t drive so this doesn’t affect me really but to say there is no good reason is a bit of an over generalisation. This will only work if public transport is radically improved though. There are still barely any night buses ffs.
 

Smokeandsteam

Exiting the Vampire Castle
Using the children’s hospital? Have mobility issues?

I am all for encouraging people to use public transport and I don’t drive so this doesn’t affect me really but to say there is no good reason is a bit of an over generalisation. This will only work if public transport is radically improved though. There are still barely any night buses ffs.
The Council have already said there will be special exemptions for those with disabilities.

I’m sure you can design a system that provides for the exceptions to the rule like this.
 

cybershot

Well-Known Member
Went to Birmingham wheels today for what will probably be the final time to do some drifting. Be sad to see it go but to be honest it’s showing its age and is poorly maintained.

I do hope they can find a new home.
 

a_chap

When the world came apart, where were you?
Birmingham Wheels is closing down? Goodness me. That makes me feel old.

I used to race karts at the circuit at Chasewater which Birmingham Wheels replaced.
 

BCBlues

Lend us a Twenner
Tributes for acclaimed TV producer and proud Brummie Tony Garnett


I've always liked Ken Loach's work. I never realised he had this chap working alongside him. Sounds like he had a pretty tough childhood.
 

blossie33

trailer trash
:(
Tributes for acclaimed TV producer and proud Brummie Tony Garnett


I've always liked Ken Loach's work. I never realised he had this chap working alongside him. Sounds like he had a pretty tough childhood.
Yes, very sad childhood and his first wife Topsy Jane, an actress and also from Birmingham, suffered a bad nervous breakdown and never worked again :(

Did you know some of the outdoor scenes in Cathy Come Home were shot in Birmingham?
 

BCBlues

Lend us a Twenner
:(

Yes, very sad childhood and his first wife Topsy Jane, an actress and also from Birmingham, suffered a bad nervous breakdown and never worked again :(

Did you know some of the outdoor scenes in Cathy Come Home were shot in Birmingham?
I had read that somewhere before yeah. Some of the old pics of Brum after WW2 are pretty grim.
 

a_chap

When the world came apart, where were you?
Due to me having a new job I commuted to Birmingham for the first time today.

Initial impressions:
  • New Street station is quite big
  • No-one looks happy
  • Where are all the cyclists? It was a 15 minute walk from the station to the office and I saw exactly one person on a bike.
  • Snow Hill station is a much nicer size than New Street
  • er....
  • That's it
 

BCBlues

Lend us a Twenner
Due to me having a new job I commuted to Birmingham for the first time today.

Initial impressions:
  • New Street station is quite big
  • No-one looks happy
  • Where are all the cyclists? It was a 15 minute walk from the station to the office and I saw exactly one person on a bike.
  • Snow Hill station is a much nicer size than New Street
  • er....
  • That's it
The Tram is God in Brum lately. Try walking to New St say from the Square Peg and it's a dodge the Tram game.
We're all happy up here really, the sad faces are because of HS2, the House of Lords threatening to invade us and the worlds biggest Primark being one big headache.

Enjoy your new job though. Brum museum is a great place to go as is the library, not sure if rooftop is still open but it's great up there.
 

Smokeandsteam

Exiting the Vampire Castle
Due to me having a new job I commuted to Birmingham for the first time today.

Initial impressions:
  • New Street station is quite big
  • No-one looks happy
  • Where are all the cyclists? It was a 15 minute walk from the station to the office and I saw exactly one person on a bike.
  • Snow Hill station is a much nicer size than New Street
  • er....
  • That's it
To help you settle in:

1. it is but it’s smaller than, say, Manchester Piccadilly
2. It’s a self-depreciating look we’ve perfected over 200 plus years. Where do you live where people look happy?
3. I cycle to work and so does my wife. There are two new huge cycle lines - one coming in to town from the south of the city centre and one from the north. You can get the maps off the council website. Whilst Birmingham remains Britain’s motor city - with all the problems that brings - the new cycle lanes are one of the best things the council have done for ages. Laned off, traffic light priority and new tarmac and painted.
4. Have a look at Moor Street Station - a beauty
5. Rignt
6. Okay
 

baldrick

ooooh timewarp
Due to me having a new job I commuted to Birmingham for the first time today.

Initial impressions:
  • New Street station is quite big
  • No-one looks happy
  • Where are all the cyclists? It was a 15 minute walk from the station to the office and I saw exactly one person on a bike.
  • Snow Hill station is a much nicer size than New Street
  • er....
  • That's it
The centre is rubbish for cyclists tbh. Pedestrianised areas with no cycling provision and you're expected to mix it up with buses and trams, no direct routes to get from a to b. New developments don't include cycle lanes either. That said cyclists are treated better than they used to be. Hopefully that will continue.
 

Smokeandsteam

Exiting the Vampire Castle
The centre is rubbish for cyclists tbh. Pedestrianised areas with no cycling provision and you're expected to mix it up with buses and trams, no direct routes to get from a to b. New developments don't include cycle lanes either. That said cyclists are treated better than they used to be. Hopefully that will continue.
Yes. It is a bit shit once you actually get into town (in my case once you reach the top of Hurst Street). But the 10 year transport strategy has got some really innovative plans to address that. The centre will be a walking/cycling priority zone

I’m the first to condemn the cities car obsession and ‘motor city’ hangover. But the council deserve massive credit for starting the job of tackling this. The first step was to open up access for cyclists into town and they’ve done this brilliantly. I can get from home to town through 2 parks and the new cycle lane (which every time I use it is a joy) and am only on the road for 400 yards the entire way
 

Artaxerxes

Well-Known Member
The centre is rubbish for cyclists tbh. Pedestrianised areas with no cycling provision and you're expected to mix it up with buses and trams, no direct routes to get from a to b. New developments don't include cycle lanes either. That said cyclists are treated better than they used to be. Hopefully that will continue.
Centres a bit rubbish for anyone, it’s alays very busy.

Though I do have a tendency to go up at holidays and weekends so
 

baldrick

ooooh timewarp
Yes. It is a bit shit once you actually get into town (in my case once you reach the top of Hurst Street). But the 10 year transport strategy has got some really innovative plans to address that. The centre will be a walking/cycling priority zone

I’m the first to condemn the cities car obsession and ‘motor city’ hangover. But the council deserve massive credit for starting the job of tackling this. The first step was to open up access for cyclists into town and they’ve done this brilliantly. I can get from home to town through 2 parks and the new cycle lane (which every time I use it is a joy) and am only on the road for 400 yards the entire way
Yep. I've noticed a lot more people cycling now the A34 cycle route is open. I go home that way 3 days a week and it's really obvious to see. And it's also nice that people don't walk in the cycle lane either on the whole. You see one or two people doing it, but most stick to the pavement. I'm just hoping the construction of the commonwealth games stuff doesn't intrude on it and the lane stays open the whole way. I'm hoping for a big increase in cycle commuters once the weather improves :thumbs:
 
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