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Sapphireblue

Well-Known Member
Sad to hear these guys have to close their doors! :(

yeah been in a couple of times and it was really good food. service a bit spotty though, first time i went in when it was dead quiet and literally couldn't get served at the bar (no staff behind and those nearby blanking me). nearly walked back out again!
 

trabuquera

Modesty Bag
Dispute in the erudite pages of the London Review of Books over who was to blame for Enoch:

"...
Ferdinand Mount, in referring to Enoch Powell’s sinister version of the ‘loveable Brummie accent’, misses a key point in the Powell enigma. Powell was not a Brummie; he was Black Country, a ‘yam yam’. The contiguous townlands of Birmingham and the Black Country are quite distinct, and have enjoyed a healthy animosity since at least the English Civil War. To the Brummie, yam yams are stupid country bumpkins; to the yam yam, Brummies are untrustworthy, liars and thieves. Both points of view are essentially correct. It was maybe a factor in Powell’s move to Northern Ireland that he wouldn’t have to face his constituents in the ruins left by Thatcherism. And in the loyalist community, he would have found a homely simplicity that reminded him of his roots.

David Crook
Birmingham"
Letters · LRB 10 October 2019

(debate still raging several issues later)
 

Smokeandsteam

Exiting the Vampire Castle
Dispute in the erudite pages of the London Review of Books over who was to blame for Enoch:

"...
Ferdinand Mount, in referring to Enoch Powell’s sinister version of the ‘loveable Brummie accent’, misses a key point in the Powell enigma. Powell was not a Brummie; he was Black Country, a ‘yam yam’. The contiguous townlands of Birmingham and the Black Country are quite distinct, and have enjoyed a healthy animosity since at least the English Civil War. To the Brummie, yam yams are stupid country bumpkins; to the yam yam, Brummies are untrustworthy, liars and thieves. Both points of view are essentially correct. It was maybe a factor in Powell’s move to Northern Ireland that he wouldn’t have to face his constituents in the ruins left by Thatcherism. And in the loyalist community, he would have found a homely simplicity that reminded him of his roots.

David Crook
Birmingham"
Letters · LRB 10 October 2019

(debate still raging several issues later)

Well that’s a pile of shit.

Firstly, Powell was a Brummie. From Stetchford or Kings Norton iirc. Second, his constituency wasn’t actually, in the main, in the Black Country. Once you leave the city centre it’s basically Penn, Tettenhall and other areas definitely not part of the Black Country. Third, Powell would have found very little in common between white loyalist communities and multi racial Wolverhampton.

Finally, Brummies don’t regard Black Country people as ‘country bumpkins’, they regard them as heavy industry metal bashers ‘strong in the arm and weak in the head’ and in return the Black Country see brummies as mere assemblers of the stuff they made.

I thought LRB was supposed to pride itself on being learned??
 

BCBlues

Lend us a Twenner
Totally agree, pile of shite. I doubt very much that Powell even had a Brummie accent. He would have to imitate it given his upbringing and that is difficult as the cast of Peaky Blinders have found out.

When we used to travel to Brum on bus from West Brom we had to get off at the "boundary" and get back on and pay again.
The boundary was right by the Albion ground, by Bradford's bakery. The reason was it was two different bus companies in those days, one being in the Black Country and the other in Brum.
 

Smokeandsteam

Exiting the Vampire Castle
Totally agree, pile of shite. I doubt very much that Powell even had a Brummie accent. He would have to imitate it given his upbringing and that is difficult as the cast of Peaky Blinders have found out.
Powell spoke like a Tory of his generation but did have a bit of the old fashioned Brum twang in there as well.
 

moonsi til

worked it out now!
I’m going shopping in Brum this Sat with 4 12-13yrs girls. Did it last year with 2 of them on a Sunday in October & it was fab.

Will hit Oasis markets which are not open on a Sunday, plus ‘The Worlds Biggest Primark’, H&M, Hema , Lush, xmas market & whatever takes our fancy.

Dinner booked for 5pm right by Xmas market. Hope the big wheel thing is there.
 

baldrick

ooooh timewarp
I'll be avoiding town like the plague. It was horrific last weekend - gridlock thanks to everyone bringing their cars (most car parks were chocker by 11.00am) and real congestion around the markets.
Yeah. It took us an hour from Handsworth to 5 ways last Saturday evening. We got stuck on the ring road at Ladywood nearly half an hour, just not moving at all. People were trying really dangerous manoeuvres to beat the traffic ☹ I expect it'll be similar this weekend.
 

Smokeandsteam

Exiting the Vampire Castle
Yeah. It took us an hour from Handsworth to 5 ways last Saturday evening. We got stuck on the ring road at Ladywood nearly half an hour, just not moving at all. People were trying really dangerous manoeuvres to beat the traffic ☹ I expect it'll be similar this weekend.
Worse I'd think. It took us over an hour on the bus from Kings Heath. Basically, too many cars.
 

cybershot

Well-Known Member
I’m going shopping in Brum this Sat with 4 12-13yrs girls. Did it last year with 2 of them on a Sunday in October & it was fab.

Will hit Oasis markets which are not open on a Sunday, plus ‘The Worlds Biggest Primark’, H&M, Hema , Lush, xmas market & whatever takes our fancy.

Dinner booked for 5pm right by Xmas market. Hope the big wheel thing is there.
Please be aware if you're planning to go in via train there are lots of strike action going on every Saturday in run to Christmas by Rail Unions and most West Midlands Trains and London Northwestern Trains are affected.
 

kazza007

Bunned
All brum households have about 3 cars each and barely anyone can fucking drive safely. Too many taxis too. I'd avoid driving into or out of the city at time of the year. It's quite well connected with trains. When's the congestion charge happening?
 

moomoo

Not so yummy mummy
Please be aware if you're planning to go in via train there are lots of strike action going on every Saturday in run to Christmas by Rail Unions and most West Midlands Trains and London Northwestern Trains are affected.
I’m avoiding going in to town on Saturdays for the foreseeable future for this very reason. Our train is unreliable enough at the best of times. My son went to a gig last weekend and ended up having to pay £24ish for an Uber home.
 

Smokeandsteam

Exiting the Vampire Castle
All brum households have about 3 cars each and barely anyone can fucking drive safely. Too many taxis too. I'd avoid driving into or out of the city at time of the year. It's quite well connected with trains. When's the congestion charge happening?
It looks like every one of them 3 cars per house is being driven today. I’ve not even been near town(which I understand is total gridlock), it’s fucking bad enough in the burbs.
 

moonsi til

worked it out now!
We had a fab day shopping and not affected by trains bar them being busy & no seats. Standing room only way there but on way back we got floor space to sit up which was much needed.

We even managed to fight our way through the Xmas market crowds to go on the Big Wheel. Even Primark was relatively stress free!

Stationery & Harry Potter stuff was very popular!
 

BCBlues

Lend us a Twenner
We had a fab day shopping and not affected by trains bar them being busy & no seats. Standing room only way there but on way back we got floor space to sit up which was much needed.

We even managed to fight our way through the Xmas market crowds to go on the Big Wheel. Even Primark was relatively stress free!

Stationery & Harry Potter stuff was very popular!
That's great. Glad you had a nice day :)
 

Lorca

Somebody after all, had to make a start
Oh, that is sad news, i remember moshing to the Pixies there in '88/'89ish i think (went backstage, somewhat awestruck and got my ticket autographed by the band - still got it!) I was only a kid but we used to go to the Barrel Organ (anyone else remember that place) and then see a band there or maybe the Kaleidoscope.
 
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