911 In plane sight screening this evening

[editor]

Now he lectures on 9-11 all around the world, and his last one in the UK saw him fill The Brixton Academy. That's quite something for a band, let alone a bloke and microphone.

It would be if it were true. But it's not. He didn't fill the Academy.

The Academy has a capacity of 4,300

The self proclaimed lizard-loving 'Son Of God' attracted around 1,000 people

So it wasn't even remotely 'filled'.

In fact, he attracted waaaaay less people than Inspiral Carpets on a dodgy comeback tour in 2003!

 

[tarannau]

It would be if it were true. But it's not. He didn't fill the Academy.

The Academy has a capacity of 4,300

The self proclaimed lizard-loving 'Son Of God' attracted around 1,000 people

So it wasn't even remotely 'filled'.

In fact, he attracted waaaaay less people than Inspiral Carpets on a dodgy comeback tour in 2003!

Blimey, so Dr Jazz has been misrepresenting facts to try and force a desperate case again. I would say I was surprised, but it's almost conspiratorial how often his sources and allegations are exposed as false. One day we'll get an apology.

I was at that Inspirals tour by the way. It was rammed in the academy, with considerably at least 4* the Icke attendance in there, despite the fact they were on a comeback tour and hadn't released a song in years.

Shoe-gazing manc baggies 1 then, Tinfoil conspiracy hopefuls 0.

Not looking so good for the movement of 'truth' is it...

 

[Jazzz]

It would be if it were true. But it's not. He didn't fill the Academy.

The Academy has a capacity of 4,300

The self proclaimed lizard-loving 'Son Of God' attracted around 1,000 people

So it wasn't even remotely 'filled'.

In fact, he attracted waaaaay less people than Inspiral Carpets on a dodgy comeback tour in 2003!

Actually your article suggests 'more' than 1000. Given the nature of the article that could be a drastic underestimate. I am going on the word of someone who was there who told me he filled it.

But in any case my point is made - someone who talked to room of a few men and a dog now pulls in massive numbers - and that's talking about 9-11.

Anyway, what does all this say about you?? Being by far the most prolific poster on 9-11 threads, you have devoted hours upon hours - a massive amount of your precious personal time - to ridiculing a campaign that you deride as having no chance of mainstream acceptance. Why bother?

What does that say about you?

 

[editor]

Actually your article suggests 'more' than 1000. Given the nature of the article that could be a drastic underestimate. I am going on the word of someone who was there who told me he filled it.

Pathetic! What a feeble wriggle!

No matter how you try and spin it, the fact remains he DID NOT 'fill' the Academy. He didn't even come close. You made that up. It's a lie.

The fact remains that the venue was at least 75% empty and your attempts to spin this simple fact into something else shows just how desperate you are to puff up your crumbling case.

Anyway, what does all this say about you?? Being by far the most prolific poster on 9-11 threads, you have devoted hours upon hours - a massive amount of your precious personal time - to ridiculing a campaign that you deride as having no chance of mainstream acceptance. Why bother?

What does that say about you?

It says to me that I'm prepared to grant you access to the kind of large audience conspiracy sites could only dream about but I'm not going to let your endlessly repeated, evidence-free bonkers claims go unchallenged.

Unlike you, I'm concerned about the credibility of this site.

And that's why I don't want my site to become associated with the kind of laughable, miracle soap flogging, shite CD shifting, evidence-free, God-squad-linked, fruitloop infested sites that you keep linking to.

Thank fuck the mainstream media didn't pick up on your fucking ridiculous moronic threads proclaiming Huntley's 'innocence'. That would have turned these boards into a laughing stock.

 

[tarannau]

Actually your article suggests 'more' than 1000. Given the nature of the article that could be a drastic underestimate. I am going on the word of someone who was there who told me he filled it.

Conspiracy theorists must be very fat then...

Or someebody's telling porkie pies. Now, who would I believe about attendances - the word of a c'theorist given to exaggeration and prone to fluffing the truth, or the venerable BBC?

Even allowing for a little underestimate (and I suspect the BBC may have more wherewithwal to speak to the box office/venue than your mate) that BBC article is impartial (if not even slightly positive) about Icke and the attendees. What makes you feel your source is somehow more worthy.

Hope over better judgement I suspect. If only you were as critical and nit-picky about your own words, as you are with any 'official' news source...

 

[Dubversion]

But in any case my point is made - someone who talked to room of a few men and a dog now pulls in massive numbers - and that's talking about 9-11.

myself and a LOT of friends went to see Icke speak at Glastonbury.

there were hundreds of people there.

almost all were laughing at him, or at least there for a rubberneck.

the number of people actually nodding was very very VERY low.

with someone like Icke, big audience does not automatically impy big agreement.

 

[Citizen66]

The fact remains that the venue was at least 75% empty and your attempts to spin this simple fact into something else shows just how desperate you are to puff up your crumbling case.

I was coming to these very boards, sorry, guestbook, when there were about 30 regular posters. MAX.

And 3 of them were me didn't stop it turning into one of the most successful communities on the net though, did it?

Please don't use popularity as an arguing point. Will Young shifts more albums than Trans Am. I know which i prefer...

 

[Citizen66]

with someone like Icke, big audience does not automatically impy big agreement.

And therefore, ergo, thus, an event with a small audience should also not imply major disagreement, no?

 

[editor]

Please don't use popularity as an arguing point.

You're clearly a little confused.

It was DrJ who was manufacturing claims about the popularity of Lizard Man's talk, not me.

Mind you, you'd think that - three years after the catastrophic, world changing events of 9/11 - more than six people could be arsed to turn up to watch the UK premiere of a video that supposedly exposed the biggest conspiracy the world has ever seen.

 

[Dubversion]

And therefore, ergo, thus, an event with a small audience should also not imply major disagreement, no?

the inverse of 'lots of people going to laugh at icke but not agreeing with him' is categorically NOT 'lots of people not going to see a movie but agreeing with its content.'.

that's just pisspoor logic, citizen

 

[Jazzz]

What makes you feel your source is somehow more worthy.

He was there. I know someone else who was there. I shall check with both of them.

The BBC article says 'more' than 1000 - not 'around' 1000.

Anyway, I saw him in his previous talk at Battersea, capacity 1200 or so - where he gave two talks. The one I attended was absolutely packed. And he got a standing ovation at the end - people didn't come to laugh. I can understand that at Glastonbury the audience may have been a different one. Forgive me, but I trust my own eyes and the words of associates more than the implications of newspaper articles.

 

[editor]

He was there. I know someone else who was there. I shall check with both of them.

The BBC article says 'more' than 1000 - not 'around' 1000.

Are you still desperately trying to spin this one out?

It didn't say 'more than' 4,000.
It didn't say 'more than' 3,000.
It didn't say 'more than' 2,000.
It said 'more than' 1,000.

So your claim that it was 'full' remains a thoroughly dishonest one and your subsequent attempts to twist these facts is becoming positively embarrassing,

 

[tarannau]

Blimey, what a wriggle. It stretches the bounds of credibility, even with Dr J's interesting eye for interpretations, that over 1000 could be equated to a full house of over 4000. Frankly, it's more than a little ridiculous - you would deserve more credit if you'd just admit you'd exaggerated (again) and apologised.

And let's put it this way - I've just had a quick scout of all google reports on the event and on not one website - even the most ludicrously nutty CT sites - does it claim that the event was sold out or packed to capacity. Even Icke's usual trumpet-blowing site, happy to boast about 'sold out' events at smaller venues, is suspiciously quiet on the attendance of the Brixton event. Hmmm...

I'll tell you what - I'll talk to a couple of folks I know well at the Academy (bar management and security) and see what they say. I'll warn you now - they're not conspiracy theorists and they're likely to give an honest answer...

 

[neilh]

mebbe i'm bein stupid cos this seems a bit obvious and noone's mentioned it, but surely when a band sells out, it's 4000 people STANDING, whereas with icke if he's speakin for hours i imagine folk will be seated and not squashed in a moshpit down the front; and if the "more than 1000" means about 1300 or so, it could well mean that the place was packed and sold out, as you're gonna get 3 times as many folk into a place standin as with seats down.
i ain't from london and ain't never been to the brixton academy so correct me if i'm somehow being stupid.

 

[editor]

i ain't from london and ain't never been to the brixton academy so correct me if i'm somehow being stupid.

Shame you didn't bother to do some basic research before posting.

Seated Format

Though primarily a 'standing venue' a further configuration is the all seated venue, which has a capacity of 2154, enjoying the comfortable purpose built seats for shows such as Eddy Izzard, who played 5 sell out shows in 2000 and the Comic Relief shows in 1999.
source

So, it's still nowhere near full, even if the seats were installed for the chem-trails, self-proclaimed 'Son Of God's' talk.

DrJ failed to mention any seating, as does every article I've seen.

In fact, I've yet to find a single credible article anywhere on the web claiming that the Academy was sold out as DrJ has claimed, regardless of whether there was seating there or not.

 

[neilh]

The fact remains that the venue was at least 75% empty

yeah you're right, i shouldve researched it, but never thought that info would be on their website. but mebbe you should have done the research you just done there before makin that claim that it was "at least 75% empty"; mebbe not as much a "fact" as you claimed.

 

[editor]

yeah you're right, i shouldve researched it, but never thought that info would be on their website. but mebbe you should have done the research you just done there before makin that claim that it was "at least 75% empty"; mebbe not as much a "fact" as you claimed.

Ah. A wannabe smart arse!

So what proof have you got that the venue wasn't 75% empty?

The review states that there were 'more than 1,000 people' there. The venue holds over 4,300 people. These are the facts.

Seeing as no one has mentioned any seating being in place - neither is there any reference to seating in any articles I've seen - my figure is entirely correct based on the available evidence.

But if you've got some credible evidence to the contrary, I'll be delighted to see it.

Are you a fan of the (guffaw) "Son Of God", btw?

 

[neilh]

no, you claimed it was a "fact" that it was "at least 75% empty"; i just pointed out that mebbe this wasn't the case, never claiming that i knew any way, so i think it's up to you to provide the proof seein as it was you that made the claim.
we've not seen any evidence that there were seats in place, or any that it was standing; personally i THINK it would have been seating, cos i've never heard of a public speaker in a venue like this playin to a standing crowd and find it hard to imagine but i wouldn't say that your claim was entirely correct based on the available evidence, just that there isn't enough evidence either way to proove the claims so its a bit silly for folk like you to go claiming what is just you're opinion is actually fact and not conjecture.

 

[editor]

no, you claimed it was a "fact" that it was "at least 75% empty"; i just pointed out that mebbe this wasn't the case, never claiming that i knew any way, so i think it's up to you to provide the proof seein as it was you that made the claim.

I've produced the proof in the shape of an independent news source clearly stating that the venue was not full as DrJ has claimed. In fact all the available evidence suggests that it was 75% empty.

Have you actually got any credible evidence to the contrary?

And are you a fan of the ChemTrail Man?

 

[rednblack]

neilh-you are a nutjob and i claim my 5pounds

 

[neilh]

that's probably a better way of expressing it now, that all the available evidence suggests it was 75% empty; although i still wouldnt agree with this, it's still a big step in the right direction from claiming it was "fact" that it was "at least" 75% empty;
i don't doubt the fact that it wasn't full; that's why i've never claimed that it was a fact; i did say at one point that it possibly "could have"; but this was before you showed us the link to the capacity for seating being over 2000; i don't see how i need some credible evidence to the contrary as i was never saying that the figures you came up with were wrong, just that it was wrong for you to say something was a fact without evidence for it.

And are you a fan of the ChemTrail Man?

i dunno if you mean david icke, drjazzz or someone else by this; but either way, no; it's not a case of me trying to argue their side; if i had happened to first check this when drjazzz had just posted that he had sold out the academy and i knew this was false i would have questioned him just the same.

 

[neilh]

neilh-you are a nutjob and i claim my 5pounds

fuck, i didn't realise that by gettin into an argument about the seating/standing capacity of a venue i was somehow endorsing chemtrails and lizards and shit;

 

[Loki]

Six people viewing out of the 7.2 million population of London is 0.000008333%... hardly a figure to be dismissed

 

[Jazzz]

that's probably a better way of expressing it now, that all the available evidence suggests it was 75% empty; although i still wouldnt agree with this, it's still a big step in the right direction from claiming it was "fact" that it was "at least" 75% empty;
i don't doubt the fact that it wasn't full; that's why i've never claimed that it was a fact; i did say at one point that it possibly "could have"; but this was before you showed us the link to the capacity for seating being over 2000; i don't see how i need some credible evidence to the contrary as i was never saying that the figures you came up with were wrong, just that it was wrong for you to say something was a fact without evidence for it.

i dunno if you mean david icke, drjazzz or someone else by this; but either way, no; it's not a case of me trying to argue their side; if i had happened to first check this when drjazzz had just posted that he had sold out the academy and i knew this was false i would have questioned him just the same.

I saw the guy who was there last night and he has again assured me that it was full. He thought some people had been turned away.

It's possible that he made a mistake and it wasn't full. I remember another friend who was there who (I think) had earlier told me it was pretty full but there were some seats left. But if there were 1500 people there - perfectly possible from everything that has been put forward - that would be a pretty good percentage of 2154, or whatever the seated capacity of the Academy is.

I am sure no-one would expect anyone to stand for seven hours, listening to a lecture - or at least, no-one aside one particular poster on this thread.

 

[editor]

I saw the guy who was there last night and he has again assured me that it was full. He thought some people had been turned away.

How could anybody mistake a 'sold out' venue that's turning people away for one that is 75% empty?

Either way, your claim that he sold out the Academy remains sheer bullshit.

 

[flimsier]

Turning this thread into 'did David Icke sell out Brixton Academy' is entertaining, but I'd like to point out that no matter how large his shows were, they are a very poor excuse for only getting 6 people (and then claiming this is a growing number of people) to a screening you've been building for and promoting for months on end.

 

[editor]

And don't forget - the guy showing the video was one of the six!

What a wash out!

 

[flimsier]

Were the bar staff counted in the six?

 

[flimsier]

To the conspiracy nuts: I think when I was in the SWSS at LSE, we foolishly held a meeting during the England Germany Euro 96 Semi Final.

We got 6 people.

The meeting after (a week later), the late Paul Foot spoke to over 200.

So maybe you should try again!?

So all is not lost

 

[editor]

We held a 'let's have a beer in the Albert' meeting the very same night.

Despite only being advertised the day before and in one thread, it attracted more people than the 9/11 exposing UK video premiere UK!

'Nuff said, I believe.