9 Songs

[Grandma Death]

I don't think so - porn's supposed to turn you on - I don't think it was intended that way

Yes well Ive read interviews with Winterbottom arguing the same point-but I'm sure it actually served that purpose for a lot of people-who wanted to see the film because of the first ever 'mainstream non porn film to show real sex'.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes well Ive read interviews with Winterbottom arguing the same point-but I'm sure it actually served that purpose for a lot of people-who wanted to see the film because of the first ever 'mainstream non porn film to show real sex'.

But it didn't - I doubt anyone cracked one out over it

 

[Grandma Death]

whether you like the film or not - i thought it sucked - Winterbottom is a serious and well-regarded film maker, not a minor pornographer. Feel free to criticise a film, but don't make stuff up

I'm not making 'stuff up' Im offering my interpretation of the movie-which is pretty much the same as yourself Dub.

I'm not calling winterbottom a pornographer-there was/is a debate as to whether this was a credible piece of film making showing the intensity of physical love or simply arthouse porn. Its worth noting some countries actually gave this film an X certificate because of its content meaning it never got a theatrical release.

 

[Dubversion]

so even by your own assessment, it's not a porn movie masquerading as arthouse. It's an 'arthouse' movie misconstrued / distorted by some to be some kind of quasi-porn film. Which is quite different.

 

[Grandma Death]

so even by your own assessment, it's not a porn movie masquerading as arthouse. It's an 'arthouse' movie misconstrued / distorted by some to be some kind of quasi-porn film. Which is quite different.

Well yes....I was being rather facile with my initial label-I apologise for being facetious.

 

[milesy]

But it didn't - I doubt anyone cracked one out over it

i didn't even get a semi

 

[pootle]

But it didn't - I doubt anyone cracked one out over it

I ended up having sex whilst watching it - although I think it was more an "instead of" rather than "because of"

I didn't realise it was an "arthouse" movie - I remember it being billed as a sorta brit-flick (terrible term but you know what I mean) young persons into music type film.

Ho hum.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I ended up having sex whilst watching it - although I think it was more an "instead of" rather than "because of"
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[foo]

I ended up having sex whilst watching it - although I think it was more an "instead of" rather than "because of"

dull and unsexy people having dull and unsexy sex.

although i'll admit i didn't watch it all cos i fancied a munch half way through and wandered off.

edit: what's all this then?? we're not allowed to take the piss out of the middle classes any more?

wot's going on? is this still urban75?!

 

[Reno]

dull and unsexy people having dull and unsexy sex.

Sounds like porn after all.

 

[kyser_soze]

A film that fails on all possible counts; it fails to offer any kind of coherent central idea; it fails erotically (altho it managed to get lots of male movie critics excited) and it fails as a film about gigs - altho this only just.

I suppose you could say that it reflects the meaningless, pointless cycles of our lives and sexual partners, punctuated by music, or something about alienation...for some reason I'm thinking 'Lovesong of Prufrock', in particular 'in women come and go, talking of michelangleo' and about 'caresses while unwanted are not turned away' or whatever...altho that might be the Tiresias bit in Wasteland...anyway...load of old toss...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It fails as a film about gigs because the music comes across so badly. I could just about tell that it would have been pretty exhilarating to have been at the Primal Scream gig, but it was such a tinny sound that you couldn't experience it. It really felt like you were watching someone else watching a gig, using 1920s technology.

 

[kyser_soze]

but it was such a tinny sound that you couldn't experience it.p

Sure that's not your TV as opposed to the OST recording?

 

[Dubversion]

or Primal Scream?

 

[Orang Utan]

Well the sound at Brixton is pretty shite too.....
I think it's nigh on impossible to have a 'magical' gig there

 

[Orang Utan]

or Primal Scream?

Hey I had a magical experience seeing them play.
Mind you, it was in 1992. At Glastonbury. And I was on acid.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well the sound at Brixton is pretty shite too.....
I think it's nigh on impossible to have a 'magical' gig there

Bauhaus disproved this.

As did Nick Cave, Nine Inch Nails...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Sure that's not your TV as opposed to the OST recording?

Yes.

 

[Gramsci]

I dont think it entirely worked as a film.A good film to compare it with is "Shortbus".This film did have a plot andbrought up questions of sexuality of an interesting way.

However Winterbottoms film I thought did have an appealing optimistic liberatarian feel to it.Which in this country at the moment is a good thing.

It was also had a less depressing view of sexuality than some recent French films.His was the first British film to get an 18 rather than R18 certificate.The first film to do so here was "Baise Moi"- a French punky version of Thelma and Loiusie.

For the most obtuse film featuring sex see Catherine Breillat.Especially Anatomy of Hell in which a man and women discuss French feminist theory .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Breillat

 

[Dubversion]

Bauhaus disproved this.

As did Nick Cave, Nine Inch Nails...

nick cave is always good there. But Bauhaus? nearly walked out..

 

[littlebabyjesus]

nick cave is always good there. But Bauhaus? nearly walked out..

Ah no, I had waited the best part of 20 years, and had ridiculously high expectations. And they lived right up to them. Murphy looked like he hadn't aged a day and I could pretend it was 1984 when I first discovered them at the age of 13. Brilliant.