9 gay men sentenced to 8 years each in Senegal

[derf]

You are an apologist for the criminalisaton of gay people, ergo you are scum. There's no argument to be had, it's a scientific fact

If you read my post you daft cunt you would have noticed that i mentioned it's illegal here to take part in a homosexual act but in fact people do and no one is oppressed for it.
No need for a change in the law as it's ignored anyway even by the cops and sexual affection is taboo in public regardless of sexuality.
I don't kiss my wife in in public here. it's not done.

In other word no body here cares about the law and no one is so far up their own arses as to see homophobia all over the place you paranoid pillock.

So go stick your head in a bucket of shit and die you fucking daft bastard.

 

[Roadkill]

If you read my post you daft cunt you would have noticed that i mentioned it's illegal here to take part in a homosexual act but in fact people do and no one is oppressed for it.

Just because the law isn't all that rigidly enforced at present, that doesn't mean it isn't oppressive.

 

[derf]

The politics here don't allow for a change in the law so forget that before we start.
However the police simply don't bother looking for it. As i said the local cops almost all go to a gay barber as he's the best for miles.

 

[In Bloom]

The politics here don't allow for a change in the law so forget that before we start.

Bollocks to that. It was only a few decades ago that the legal situatoin in Britain was similar. It was made to change here and it can be made to change elsewhere.

However the police simply don't bother looking for it. As i said the local cops almost all go to a gay barber as he's the best for miles.

Are some of your best friends black, by any chance?

 

[Roadkill]

The politics here don't allow for a change in the law so forget that before we start.

So what? That isn't the point. Just because the status quo isn't about to change, that doesn't mean it isn't oppressive and wrong.

 

[In Bloom]

So what? That isn't the point. Just because the status quo isn't about to change, that doesn't mean it isn't oppressive and wrong.

derf doesn't mind as long as it doesn't effect him personally, because he's a selfish cunt.

 

[harpo]

Bush withdrew funding for organisations such as Marie Stopes because amongst other things they provided abortions.

 

[derf]

Bollocks to that. It was only a few decades ago that the legal situatoin in Britain was similar. It was made to change here and it can be made to change elsewhere.


Are some of your best friends black, by any chance?

The vast majority of them, yes.
I have very few white friends but living in Indonesia that is sort of expected.
That about fucks up the racist overtones you were trying to suggest.

Should I mention my wife isn't white and our baby is mixed race just in case you are too thick to work out that your attempted slur is dead in the water. Pillock.

However your point about the situation in the UK is a valid point but based on an error.
The social, religious and political state here is a far cry from Britain in the sixties. There won't be a change in the law here for a very long time so live with it unless you want to act like a colonialist and try to impose your version of right and wrong on some fucker else's country.

I'm a guest here and, as a guest, it would be rude of me to have a pop at my host regardless of my own opinions.

Feel free to book a flight and sort out a protest.

 

[derf]

derf doesn't mind as long as it doesn't effect him personally, because he's a selfish cunt.

How do you know I'm not bisexual?

 

[sam/phallocrat]

god forbid . . .

 

[Azrael]

So what? That isn't the point. Just because the status quo isn't about to change, that doesn't mean it isn't oppressive and wrong.

Well said.

I won't give an opinion on the situation in Indonesia though. It's an internal matter, and I know nearly enough about their culture to contribute a meaningful suggestion as to how homosexuality should be legalised. Besides, it's not my place. I can say it should in the abstract (just like I supported jury trial there in the abstract), but I imagine derf agrees with that, and is simply being pragmatic.

 

[derf]

Well said.

I won't give an opinion on the situation in Indonesia though. It's an internal matter, ................................
I imagine derf agrees with that, and is simply being pragmatic.

Sounds about right.
The law here is an internal matter and even if I was in a position to do something about it I would not be so rude as to interfere in an internal political matter.
Not my place a a guest to tell the host his wallpaper is shit.

 

[teqniq]

Not my place a a guest to tell the host his wallpaper is shit.

LOL. I would do that which is probably why I'm not living in a country like that. I find it pretty bizzarre actualy. I went to Morocco a couple of years ago to a music festival, and there were quite a number of young guys strolling around arm in arm - now my infference could be wrong but I suspect otherwise. So what is that all about? On the one hand you have the regional relgion telling everyone that it's very wrong to have homosexual relationships or indeed any kind of relationship outside marriage. Yet in reality people do what they will do.

 

[Azrael]

Yet in reality people do what they will do.

That's the one!

Provided it doesn't harm anyone else, whatever you think of it morally, using the law to punish X activity is a waste of time, resources, and lives.

I imagine that change in Indonesia will come when a political party makes play on the difference between "tolerance" and "acceptance", as happened in the (equally gay-unfriendly) Britain of the 1960s. (Arguably we were worse, as the police wasted a great deal of time trawling around foul public lavatories and busting private homosexual acts.)

I've not been to Morocco, but Rupert Everett's visit to the Egyptian gay subculture in his documentary about Richard Burton was fascinating and disturbing all at once. (Disturbing in its moralism and hypocrisy, that is.)

 

[derf]

That's the one!

Provided it doesn't harm anyone else, whatever you think of it morally, using the law to punish X activity is a waste of time, resources, and lives.

I imagine that change in Indonesia will come when a political party makes play on the difference between "tolerance" and "acceptance", as happened in the (equally gay-unfriendly) Britain of the 1960s.

I agree with the first point. Lets be honest it does no one any good to break down a door and arrest a couple of blokes shagging in private.
May not be my cup of tea but my opinion is that it's up to them what they do.

The second part isn't right. The situation here won't allow that for a couple of generations here and maybe a lot longer.

 

[In Bloom]

How do you know I'm not bisexual?

Even if you were, that would make you little more than an Uncle Tom. But of course, you aren't, you're a twat.

Not my place

A snivelling, servile twat at that.

 

[derf]

Even if you were, that would make you little more than an Uncle Tom. But of course, you aren't, you're a twat.


A snivelling, servile twat at that.

You have me right in that I'm not bisexual but a big harsh boy like you could turn me no problem.
Pity all you really are is a sad fucker so pissed off with yourself you need to sexual militancy to make yourself feel good about life.

Do as I do. Accept that some people like different things to others and you will soon get over your hetrophobia.

 

[In Bloom]

You have me right in that I'm not bisexual but a big harsh boy like you could turn me no problem.
Pity all you really are is a sad fucker so pissed off with yourself you need to sexual militancy to make yourself feel good about life.

Do as I do. Accept that some people like different things to others and you will soon get over your hetrophobia.

I'm quite happy to accept other people's sexuality, which is why I wouldn't object to you posting your lurid sexual fantasies about big, harsh gay men trying to "turn" you. I just wish you'd keep me out of it.

 

[Azrael]

The second part isn't right. The situation here won't allow that for a couple of generations here and maybe a lot longer.

Obviously I can't comment with any authority on the situation in Indonesia, but anti-gay feeling was endemic in 1950s Britain (prosecutions at their highest level in decades out of fear of Soviet blackmail). There wasn't a nice, neat narrative of softening attitudes followed by legalisation.

As I don't know the nuances of Islam and other aspects of Indonesian culture, what's to stop something similar happening in Indonesia as happened here?

 

[derf]

Obviously I can't comment with any authority on the situation in Indonesia, but anti-gay feeling was endemic in 1950s Britain (prosecutions at their highest level in decades out of fear of Soviet blackmail). There wasn't a nice, neat narrative of softening attitudes followed by legalisation.

As I don't know the nuances of Islam and other aspects of Indonesian culture, what's to stop something similar happening in Indonesia as happened here?

The situation may change in time but it will be a long time. The political establishment may slowly allow change but the religious establishment is far stronger than in the UK at the time you mentioned and is unlikely to change for a very long time.
Unlike the Christian church in the UK that was loosing it's popularity rapidly Islam is still the norm as Al Qur'an is the law that many live by.
Mosques are packed every day for 6 o'clock prayers and kids here mostly like to follow their parents to mosque.
Kids have evening lessons on Islam and they want to go. No one has to force them. That leads to another generation of devout believers and another generation that will not want to have a change in the law that is in direct conflict with the word as stated in Al Qur'an.
There is some balls out homophobia here but most seem to just take the view that what they do in private is up to them but they will go to hell.
I bit of a laid back country really.