9/11 Whodunnit?
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loki, tarranau, yeah, whatever. Whatever.
It's not fucking worth it, and the reason i wanted to take myself out of these fucking threads is this fucking crap you put my way about who i am, what i've posted, what i haven't, what i might, what i know, in fact everything about me.
Half of it is blatantly wrong, nah, make that nearly all. But like i said, hey, what the fuck.
One thing about the 'CTers' as you all so eloquently reduce human beings who debate on these boards to, is that they debate the message.
All you lot get fixated on the messenger. And you can't even fucking see it.
It's not fucking worth it, and the reason i wanted to take myself out of these fucking threads is this fucking crap you put my way about who i am, what i've posted, what i haven't, what i might, what i know, in fact everything about me.
Half of it is blatantly wrong, nah, make that nearly all. But like i said, hey, what the fuck.
One thing about the 'CTers' as you all so eloquently reduce human beings who debate on these boards to, is that they debate the message.
All you lot get fixated on the messenger. And you can't even fucking see it.
fela fan said:
Ooh, hark at him, getting his foil hat all twisted up like that...
As for 'crap,' put 'your way about who I am,' I'm afraid we've all been guilty of judging you on your words and your ability to hold together a coherent, rational argument. Based on this post and many other examples - not least your pathetically ridiculous 'mirrors' theory - I'm pretty sure most of us have got your number.
What can't we see by the way? You jumping up and down at home, getting so angry that we can't see your 'truth.' Perhaps you should work on your communication skills a little more - we're obviously not getting you.
By the way, if you are going to flounce again, try not to make it an idle promise. A 'felaflounce' is noticeably less credible than a real flounce. How appropriate...
tarannau said:Ooh, hark at him, getting his foil hat all twisted up like that...
As for 'crap,' put 'your way about who I am,' I'm afraid we've all been guilty of judging you on your words and your ability to hold together a coherent, rational argument. Based on this post and many other examples - not least your pathetically ridiculous 'mirrors' theory - I'm pretty sure most of us have got your number.
What can't we see by the way? You jumping up and down at home, getting so angry that we can't see your 'truth.' Perhaps you should work on your communication skills a little more - we're obviously not getting you.
By the way, if you are going to flounce again, try not to make it an idle promise. A 'felaflounce' is noticeably less credible than a real flounce. How appropriate...
Except that this piece of rhetoric turned up while i was posting.
You are in certain need of a mirror mate, even if you have no fucking clue about what such a piece of conventional wisdom means. Now, if you don't mind, i'm flouncing well the fuck away from you. Your brand of negativity is something my life does not need.
But i'll come back just when i so choose thank you. Now, fire off, and then it can be done with. Tata.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
So the continued refusal to engage with those of us who believe that there ISN'T a conspiracy with the evidence we provide, or to actually answer one specific point we make about the evidence supplied by you when we ask a direct question, is all about us attacking the messenger? And we can't see it?
We're attacking both - gullible people for whom there has to be human agency behind anything 'this big' and the 'evidence' they supply to support what is, in almost all cases, supposition and extrapolated assumptions from thin evidence. The CTers don't debate 'the message' - you debate wild theories and essentially say 'We're right, the rest of the world is wrong' while completely disregarding even the simplest of human truths, which is human error and incompetence.
You've already shot most of the messengers you consider to be 'off message' with their evidence (i.e. US Congress, countless news agencies around the World) and believe those that fit your worldview - often people who have been discredited, or have a similar line in other 'unexplained' events (Diana, JFK) or in a previous age would have been restricted from spreading their guff because the only vent for it would be green ink letters to the local and national press...
ksyer, i have made it clear countless times over the two years or so of these fucking threads:
I don't believe in any conspiracy. I find it hard to believe the USG had a hand in the attacks, but have come to that conclusion.
I believe Al Q (or whoever or whatever we want to call them) were responsible. I believe arab type pilots flew the planes. In short i believe most of what most people believe.
I also believe that the USG knew the attacks were coming, and let them happen. I also believe them capable of such carnage.
Once i accept that plausibility, then it also becomes possible they actually set the whole thing on its way many years ago.
I have been at the end of some pretty concerted attacks on these threads, and it has been instructive to see how language sticks. The latest one is that i 'flounce'. Just see how it develops almost seamlessly...
These threads have failed, in a great part, due to the attacks that certain posters carry out in what seems to me quite an organised fashion.
I do stick around, but at times i feel it totally pointless and wonder what on earth i'm doing even getting involved.
To read that it is me and two other posters who have destroyed these threads really is comical. To think that three people can have such power over a forum...
In reality of course, these threads don't have a chance. And if some posters think it's all my and two other posters' fault, then they are welcome to such thoughts. It's their brain.
I don't believe in any conspiracy. I find it hard to believe the USG had a hand in the attacks, but have come to that conclusion.
I believe Al Q (or whoever or whatever we want to call them) were responsible. I believe arab type pilots flew the planes. In short i believe most of what most people believe.
I also believe that the USG knew the attacks were coming, and let them happen. I also believe them capable of such carnage.
Once i accept that plausibility, then it also becomes possible they actually set the whole thing on its way many years ago.
I have been at the end of some pretty concerted attacks on these threads, and it has been instructive to see how language sticks. The latest one is that i 'flounce'. Just see how it develops almost seamlessly...
These threads have failed, in a great part, due to the attacks that certain posters carry out in what seems to me quite an organised fashion.
I do stick around, but at times i feel it totally pointless and wonder what on earth i'm doing even getting involved.
To read that it is me and two other posters who have destroyed these threads really is comical. To think that three people can have such power over a forum...
In reality of course, these threads don't have a chance. And if some posters think it's all my and two other posters' fault, then they are welcome to such thoughts. It's their brain.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
OK fela, just to make sure I'm not 'putting meanings into your words' as you've accused me of elsewhere (e.g. when I assume that when you use the words nature and mother and father in the same sentence in a thread about Gaia theory apparently you AREN'T referring to the metaphor or that the idea is a subjective human one) you are first of all saying that you don't believe in a conspiracy, but you do believe that the USG was involved, knew that the attacks were happening and let them happen.
Now I'm not wanting to be picky about your use of English (again) but saying 'I don't believe in a conspiracy' and then going on to describe what you DO believe, which when added together would qualify as a 'conspiracy' in anyone's book, is often called 'contradictory'.
But obviously I have placed 'extra meaning' in your words, no?
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Note, if you will, the sleek lines of the recently introduced felaflounce revolving doors.
Renown for the swift action and ability to turn 360 degrees in under a second, these fine doors have seen much use recently....
Loki said:
And I thought you'd flounced already.
The innate, systematic bullying of a person's will. The siege mentality, the strength in numbers, the cowardly method to silence someone.
Glad to know that i am the stimulus for you and your cabal to find new words. And you all seem to keep a stock of my posts for future use. I'm flattered.
You're not admitting something.
You seem the sort that would kick a man lying down, but run from one that stands up to you. You and quite a few have done a fucking good job of fucking up these threads, yet like the cloudy mirror that affords no self-reflection, you just blame, blame, blame, harry, harry. All you can do is judge others, yet never never look at yourself.
You're nothing more than playground bullies acting in perfect group harmony.
kyser_soze said:
I haven't accused you kyser, i have told you. And look, again, bring up the past, from another thread, just to add ammunition to the attack on a poster's credibility. Really, it is poor form. It indicates that you have little in the way of substance on the topic at hand when you resort to such messenger-bashing tactics.
You can apply whatever meaning you wish to the word 'conspiracy'.
Meanwhile, i take the meaning to be where a group of people get together to organise an illegal and covert action, in such a manner where the intention is that their involvement in it will be undiscovered.
If you think politicians don't conspire, then tell me what you do think.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Hardly. You've basically come on this thread, claimed that you're being bullied by a 'cabal' and make clearly contradictory statements about what you believe happen. When those of us who can be bothered provide links NOT provided by Joe Vialls, people with books to publish or websites with writing on other 'conspiracies' (IIRC one of the sites linked to in the past has even had the 'deoderant causes breast cancer' story on it) they are ignored and we are called fools or dupes for not believing these websites tell the 'truth'.
And you haven't responded to two people questioning your assertion that while you don't believe in a conspiracy, you do believe the USG knew and let it happen.
And you haven't responded to two people questioning your assertion that while you don't believe in a conspiracy, you do believe the USG knew and let it happen.
fela fan said:
Nope I just looked up your post using the search facility, took about 20 seconds. Don't flatter yourself there!
fela fan said:
What bloody nonsense are you talking now? Sorry if people objecting to conspiracy nonsense gets to you but it's something you're just gonna have to deal with on these boards.
And I thought you'd flounced already.
kyser_soze said:
My response is above, patience man.
And guess what kyser, i've never read a fucking word of vialls, and know fuck all about him except that quite a few posters on these threads seem to be obsessed by him.
Al Q did it. The USG either let it happen, or fed the idea into willing ears. And over the months here on urban, i've provided plenty of stuff to back up what i say. But hey, guess what: just like you have accused others, posters here who didn't want to hear that particular angle on things, just simply ingored my links.
It's no wonder i talk about mirrors, the wonder is that posters willfully or ignorantly claim to not understand what i'm on about.
Virtually everything i'm accused of is something the accusers do themselves. Yet they do not see it. Well, it's everyone's prerogative to do what they want.
I cannot believe you, a poster who obviously knows a bit about life, are missing a fundamental issue here.
Oh please, the only reason why people are 'bullying' you, is that you've spoken too much arse on these boards. Just like a BNP troll spouting a load of nonsense would be shot down by a variety of posters, you're shot down because you consistently post up a load of conceited and poorly-thought out tosh.
You may think that you're an expert in linguistics, an 'artist' (your words) in language, but you can't take it when your arguments are systematically discussed and found to be wanting - look at your petulant reaction to those pointing out that you couldn't even square what you meant with 'conspiracy.' If holes are found in your arguments and logic, you simply refuse to acknowledge them or say that they're not reading your arguments properly. You've got to ask yourself - who's the conceited one, setting themself up for a fall?
Door's that way, if you can bear to felaflounce out of here again. Get some self-knowledge before you start pointing the finger at everyone else...
You may think that you're an expert in linguistics, an 'artist' (your words) in language, but you can't take it when your arguments are systematically discussed and found to be wanting - look at your petulant reaction to those pointing out that you couldn't even square what you meant with 'conspiracy.' If holes are found in your arguments and logic, you simply refuse to acknowledge them or say that they're not reading your arguments properly. You've got to ask yourself - who's the conceited one, setting themself up for a fall?
Door's that way, if you can bear to felaflounce out of here again. Get some self-knowledge before you start pointing the finger at everyone else...
tarannau said:I have. It's depressing as fuck to hear you waffle so much conceited crap on such a consistent basis. I suspect, from the honest criticism on this thread, that many others feel the same way.
With freedom of speech comes freedom to not listen. So if you don't like my posts, do yourself a favour and put me on ignore. Or just simply scroll down when you see the name fela fan.
I'll never understand people who get involved in things that depress them. Do you like being depressed by me eh man?
fela fan said:
I would happily ignore you - in fact I do most of the time - but every so often you post something so misrepresentative (eg the 'proper debate' allegations in this thread), ridiculous or arrogant that it should be challenged. I'm consistent in that way - unlike the continued flip-flopping of your opinions and inability to hold together a coherent argument. You can't even flounce when you promise, matey-mate.
You'll have to accept that I'm afraid, although it seems that my 'brand of negativity' is shared by many other posters less than enamoured with your reasoning skills.
er, the "crap" is actually reasoned questioning of the ridiculous websites and spurious "I just know it's true" arguments relentlessly posted by CTers. You've already said you've got nothing new to say about 9/11 so why are you waffling away on this thread (after a flounce too!)?fela fan said:
tarannau said:
Your politeness and respect for fellow human beings is once again shining through.
I promise fuck all. I say and do what i want when i want. If i say i'm off, then i'm not, then that's life eh. Now, i'm definitely not talking to you again.
Unless i change my mind that is.
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