'9/11 Truth Movement' and Academia

Discussion in 'Compendium Of Kerrrr-azy Conspiracies' started by Dillinger4, Nov 12, 2007.

  1. Dillinger4

    Dillinger4 Es gibt Zeit

    The first post of this thread is about research methods. Fela is making claims about research method, and he claims he has qualifications to know all about this, whilst displaying no idea of how such is research is actually carried out.

    It is entirely relevant.
     
  2. Dillinger4

    Dillinger4 Es gibt Zeit

    I am not the one making random claims.

    You make a claim, you justify it. Or else it will just seem like you dreamed it up.
     
  3. jonH

    jonH New Member

    You claim to be academically involved in the subject, what do you know? All I say is we don't know the truth, anyone could have hatched the plot. There is no proof Bin Laden thought up the idea.

    What do you think?
     
  4. Dillinger4

    Dillinger4 Es gibt Zeit

    Look, this is exactly my point. How can you carry out research on something you patently cannot know?

    To be honest, I don't even care about 9/11 theories. To me they are all bullshit.
     
  5. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    Haven;t you even read this thread... :rolleyes:
     
  6. Dillinger4

    Dillinger4 Es gibt Zeit

    I doubt he has.
     
  7. Dillinger4

    Dillinger4 Es gibt Zeit

    You cannot approach this subject, scientifically speaking, because you can't start from a point that somebody has plucked out the air and has tried to prove afterwards.
     
  8. jbob

    jbob Well-Known Member

    I've read the thread. I know what he said about research and it was laughable in the context of how many academic courses are assessed.

    However, the contents of his Masters course just may have been different to what you know in your field and I do in mine; as his field of expertise is based upon teaching TEFL it just may require a different basis for assessment.

    I still don't see whay he should name where he works or where he studied. It's up to him to defend his argument, but this information is irrelavant.

    I just find these threads where a circle forms to kick someone in, (where your name often seems to crop up, incidentally), to be rather unpleasant.
     
  9. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    Fela claimed to have written a dissertation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but dissertations have a hypothesis which is then either supported, or not-supported, based on the evidence collected by the student. Fela is saying that, based on his experiences of writing a dissertation and from giving academic advice he thinks that it would be perfectly possible to present evidence in a dissertation that would show how the 9/11 attacks where not by AQ, but by a conspiracy...

    Because we want to know Fela experience of writing dissertations, and how he gives academic advice. The majority of people think that its unlikely one could provide conclusive evidence of a conspiracy in 10,000 words and with evidence obtained from You-Tube. So we're all crying "BULLSHIT" on Felas qualifications...

    Thats because if some makes a point of something I like to see the basis on what they stating that point.
     
  10. fela fan

    fela fan sunny thailand

    a) Fela is not saying anything of the sort. Jaed is simply barking up the wrong tree with such nonsense. My original posts to dillinger at the start of the thread were all based on his own reactions to his situation, and nothing to do with 911 itself. So cut out the bullshit about me linking the two together.

    b) You're welcome to cry bullshit on my qualifications. Keep right at it if it suits.

    c) I never made a point or issue of it. I said what i said in order to honestly reply to a kyser post. Then a gaggle of geese jumped down my throat barking their demands.

    You are too quick to judge other people. It's your loss, not mine.
     
  11. fela fan

    fela fan sunny thailand

    jbob, cheers mate.

    I'll see if i can cook up some more dodgy opinions...!
     
  12. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    If you had answered the question "Which uni course, and where...?" with a straight, no-wriggling answer no-one would have made anything of it. Its your constant evasions that make you sound like you're telling us porkies...

    You're a wriggler...!
     
  13. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    Based of what I know of Fela I'd say he hasn't done a masters, and probably didn't a degree course either. He probably bullshitted his way into a TEFL, and is scared of being found out. Which is why he puffs himself up so much... :rolleyes:
     
  14. jbob

    jbob Well-Known Member

    I'm sure Fela can answer this one for you, but all I'll say is he's never to my knowledge claimed to have studied at undergraduate level, whereas he has at Masters. He freely admits he bluffed his way into TEFL (many, many people do), but later he got some qualifications. As I said before, there's a stack of threads about this (mainly in Travel, some in the Work forum).

    I'm not out to defending the man or his opinions, he's more than capable of doing that. I'm correcting your incorrect assetions about his qualifications based upon the evidence I have - what he's written on here.
     
  15. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    He's claimed:

    (# 284 of this thread)

    I'm not sure what that means and seems to be typical Fela wibbling

    If he stated his qualifications clearly then no-one would post up "incorrect assertions" would they...?
     
  16. jbob

    jbob Well-Known Member

    Do you know the basis under which all postgraduate qualifications are assessed? I think you'll find there are variations dependent upon the discipline. Is, for example, the assessment criteria for the PGCE the same as MSc Mechanical Engineering? Are the academic demands and required skills the same for both sets of candidates?

    As for the second bit about 9/11, all I will say is that it would depend upon the hypothesis. Apart from that, I've got no desire to get involved with that discussion.
     
  17. tarannau

    tarannau Mongolian eyed

    Christ can we give it a rest. I don't care which qualiification's Fela's really got, although they're clearly unlikely to be from the most prestigious or rigorous of institutions.

    What's more grating is his tendency to inflate his achievements (Eg talking about he's an expert in linguistics when essentially being a TEFL type) and self-aggrandising bibble like the 'psychological manipulation' bumph above. Rarely can someone fit so much fitful,unnecessary bollocks into one line, and I say that as someone with a suitably bullshitworthy BA/MA in English and a Masters in Business

    Sadly this nonsense is reflected in his posts, where he ends up trying to deflect any criticism of his defective logic with grand sounding, but utterly facetious nonsense about 'filters' and 'reflections' that would shame a fifth form 'Psychology for dummies' class.

    I wish, just wish, there'd sometimes be more substance to his posts than 'this is what I think' followed by putting his fingers in his ears.
     
  18. jbob

    jbob Well-Known Member

    :D Ah well, I take your point.
     
  19. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    AFAIK, a PGCE isn't at the same level as a Masters... (either Msc or MA)
     
  20. editor

    editor hiraethified

    As you know, I'm not one to blindly post up YouTube links and expect people to watch them without explaining the content, but I trust this one is fun enough to make an exception: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4n-UGQcG3Jw&feature=related

    Watch it to the end and then see if the cab driver character reminds you of someone in this thread. :D
     
  21. Dillinger4

    Dillinger4 Es gibt Zeit

    Thats funny because it is true.

    :cool:
     
  22. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    So true... :D
     
  23. A Dashing Blade

    A Dashing Blade Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink

    NO. Ed used the phrase "tens of thousands".

    YOU queried that ("Ahh, it's the editor speaking personally for all those thousands of people who have actually told him that they saw a plane. After all, how on earth could editor know that thousands or tens of thousands of people saw a plane? Perhaps he read all their quotes in the newspaper...")

    I asked YOU, straight question, how many YOU think saw it, to the nearest order of magnitude. Simple question, what's you're problem giving a straight answer?
     
  24. fela fan

    fela fan sunny thailand

    I can't remember you popping up here on this thread.

    Now that you're here, my answer is that i have no clue whatsoever what people saw, and how many saw.

    I trust this answer is straight enough for you, do get back to me if it's not good enough.
     
  25. fela fan

    fela fan sunny thailand

    You have failed to see from the description of my undergraduate 'degree' that it was no such thing. But i do find closed minds an interesting phenomenon especially when i read somebody levelling this charge at others...

    I never went to uni when i was 18, couldn't get out of education quick enough.

    And that's yer lot. You have a right to ask me what my qualifications are, and i have a right to not tell you. So leave it at that.

    Meanwhile you need to brush on your reading skills. You would clearly have seen that i was not claiming a first degree, rather taking the piss out of uesless readers like yourself who cannot extract original intended meanings from texts due to your closed mind. Soon as you see the word fela fan, your subjectivity kicks in. I find it hilarious and psychologically interesting that you should be so obsessed about somebody you know next to fuck all about, and how that blocks you from even attempting to find out what is being communicated.
     
  26. fela fan

    fela fan sunny thailand

    Are you actually aware of how little you know about me? Because the answer is just about zero, which of course you regularly display in your inane and inaccurate witterings about me, rather than my posts.

    Here: i definintely never did a first degree, nor did i ever claim to have done one here on urban. There you are, now you know something about me.

    As for my masters, if you say i did one, i did, if you say i didn't do one, then i didn't. Whatever you want to believe can be your own personal truth jaed. You will never find out for sure if i've done one, and so you best just leave it.

    Do you not even understand basic psychology? You tell me i'm a liar that i don't have a master's. Are you then seriously thinking that by me posting up my degree and institution that that will be enough evidence for you to now say no, fela fan was not lying, now i can plainly see that he is telling the truth?

    No, i think we both know the real reasons in your feeble attempts to press-gang me into an answer.

    Well dream on lad, dream on.
     
  27. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    Heh...! You could just tell us the name of the Masters. Would save you time instead of waffling on with your usual wriggling...!
     
  28. jæd

    jæd Corporate Hooker

    I think several people (me included) rightly called bullshit over what you posted. You fool no-one with your constant wriggling...!
     
  29. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    I don't agree with many of fela fan's opinions on 9/11 - but I've certainly never had any cause to believe he's been anything but honest about himself and his qualifications and I don't see the point of people hounding him for personal information.
     
  30. jonH

    jonH New Member

    No one knows where the idea of 9/11 came from, you say we shouldn't have any ideas or opinions on things which aren't scientifically proven, or if we do , don't voice them here. We should just accept the War on Terror, the tightened security and all that xenophobic homeland stuff and never even think it might have been a conspiracy. No Academic has ever proved it, so it wasn't.

    and bad luck all the Afghan and Iraqi families which have been destroyed, we don't really care that your lives were ruined for as yet, an unknown reason.
     

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