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I've no love for mormons or any other sect but I'm not going to ridicule someones opinion on another matter because of it...otherwise I'm sure I'd never listen to half of you lot if I based all my decisions on your goddish nonsense..

Mormons were and still are very pro-war btw. Don't see any fucking missionaries in Iraq though...all the cunts are in the UK...what would Jesus say...you have to ask?
 
DexterTCN said:
I've no love for mormons or any other sect but I'm not going to ridicule someones opinion on another matter because of it...otherwise I'm sure I'd never listen to half of you lot if I based all my decisions on your goddish nonsense..

Mormons were and still are very pro-war btw. Don't see any fucking missionaries in Iraq though...all the cunts are in the UK...what would Jesus say...you have to ask?
Where on earth did that come from?
 
JHE said:
This week's New Statesman has a decent article by Brendan O'Neill on the 911 nuts and their 'theories'. David Shayler is barking!

Meet the No Planers
If anyone had any doubts, read on. The guy's a fucking nutter of the highest order.
Then things really go off the rails. I ask Shayler if it's true he has become a "no planer" - that is, someone who believes that no planes at all were involved in the 9/11 atrocity.

... "Oh, fuck it, I'm just going to say this," he tells her. "Yes, I believe no planes were involved in 9/11." But we all saw with our own eyes the two planes crash into the WTC.

"The only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes," he says. "Watch the footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Center." He must notice that my jaw has dropped. "I know it sounds weird, but this is what I believe."
 
DexterTCN said:
Mormons were and still are very pro-war btw. Don't see any fucking missionaries in Iraq though...all the cunts are in the UK...what would Jesus say...you have to ask?

I don't know about Mormons, but there was quite an interesting interview with the head of the Catholic mission in Bagdad on the beeb world service a month or so ago.

It was all fairly predictable until the interviewer said something like "looking around the world right now, one might be forgiven for thinking that religion is the cause of many of our problems"

and the priest said something like "Oh I agree completely - religion is a terrible thing - it's one of the worst things ever to have befallen humanity - it's been a disaster from the word go, and of course when mixed with politics, it's so much the worse. It really is bad news.

But it's here. It's a religious problem, and it will need religious solutions"

Which has kindof changed the complexion of the whole thing for me somewhat. I think he's right in a way.
 
JHE said:
Tommy Sheridan has just joined the Mormons and Dexter's become very confused.
Firstly...cross thread arguing is frowned upon...so fuck off cunt.

2ndly Bob...where it came from. You're required to read the posts before asking. I'm not pro whatever the guy is saying...I just require a better class of argument than 'he beleives in god' because many people have, imo, irrational beliefs but it doesn't tarnish everything else they do. Laughing because someone believes Jesus went to America is no more ridiculous to me than the entire concept of a god that created the world in 6 days.
 
DexterTCN said:
Firstly...cross thread arguing is frowned upon...so fuck off cunt.

2ndly Bob...where it came from. You're required to read the posts before asking. I'm not pro whatever the guy is saying...I just require a better class of argument than 'he beleives in god' because many people have, imo, irrational beliefs but it doesn't tarnish everything else they do. Laughing because someone believes Jesus went to America is no more ridiculous to me than the entire concept of a god that created the world in 6 days.
A single reference to a mormon uni (only mentioned because that's where the fruitloop pulled some more crap from his arse) and you go off on a full blown rant?

Way to miss the point.
 
Rant? He dismissed the guy because the guy thought Jesus went to America.
Jones is convinced, for example, that Jesus was wandering through ancient Mexico around AD 600, paying calls on various Mayan villagers.
Are we going to dismiss the views of everyone here who believes in a deity? Like I said, already, I don't agree with the guy but it deserves a better quality of argument.
 
DexterTCN said:
Yeah, a completely off topic, pointless flow of thought. Not addressing anyone or any points raised.

What the hell mormons have to do with this thread is still beyond me. How the flying fuck you then move onto Mormon preachers in Iraq...

Oh you've edited!
He dismissed the guy because the guy thought Jesus went to America.

Are we going to dismiss the views of everyone here who believes in a deity? Like I said, already, I don't agree with the guy but it deserves a better quality of argument.
Yeah, that's worthy of dismissal. As is the idea that elvis is infact an alien, that we're being manipulated by giant lizards and that the ed is on the CIA payroll. It doesn't deserve a better quality of arguement, anything more than "you're off your nut mate" is wasted upon shayler.

When did it even say Shayler was a bloody mormon? Gods there's so many holes in your post i'm wondering if lookagain hasn't got your password.
 
DexterTCN said:
Are we going to dismiss the views of everyone here who believes in a deity?
Well, you might like to see some credible evidence to support his unorthodox assertions otherwise he might as well be making it all up, no?

And if he hasn't got any evidence, then it does make you wonder about his other beliefs.
 
editor said:
Well, you might like to see some credible evidence to support his unorthodox assertions otherwise he might as well be making it all up, no?

And if he hasn't got any evidence, then it does make you wonder about his other beliefs.
I'm an atheist, I don't believe in any deities. I don't dismiss every opinion of others who do because I disagree with them on that though.

Does that mean I agree with the guy? No, it doesn't. It means I require a better class of argument than 'he believes in miracles'.
 
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Bob_the_lost said:
When did it even say Shayler was a bloody mormon? Gods there's so many holes in your post i'm wondering if lookagain hasn't got your password.

Did you even read the link?
You know...yapping about Shaylor kind of casts doubt on it because my post never mentioned, and indeed wasn't about, Shaylor.

His name is Jones. Holes in my post aye? At least I read before I answer and don't end up looking like an arsehole. :)
 
Quite simply, to observers the amount of recent articles coming out in mainstream media has increased noticeably. This is concurrent with the attitude of the times. Compared to a couple of years ago, less and less americans are believing bush and his fear-ratcheting talk. And in addition this climate is freeing many people to start daring to imagine the 'impossible'.

In such a climate, all the aspects of the attacks that lead all sane citizens to question the authorities' version are beginning to be talked about.

In short, the topic is getting into the public consciousness.

Americans of course will be very interested to know why their government chose to ignore the reams of intelligence telling them that such an attack was upcoming.

They'll be interested to know why the commission was so corrupted in arriving at the 'official' story.

They'll be more than interested to discuss how virtually all the hijackers were from saudi arabia, yet bush chose to punish iraq instead.

And maybe they might be interested to hear how one of their passports flew out of a window on impact with the WTC, serenely floating down to the chaos below, just waiting to be discovered by a government worker.

They might also ask why WTC7 fell down, yet no other building suffered the same fate.

They might want to know why the CIA agents in chicago area were consistently blocked from their work in informing the american government authorities about upcoming attacks.

Why all the video footage/evidence of the plane going into the pentagon has never been released.

Why the bereaved family members say what they do.

Why just about everything failed to do its job required of it in an emergency.

Why the president was not immediately whisked off after the first collision.

Why they long ago gave up looking for OBL.

And so it goes on.

Maybe others can add to my list.
 
fela fan said:
Quite simply, to observers the amount of recent articles coming out in mainstream media has increased noticeably. This is concurrent with the attitude of the times. Compared to a couple of years ago, less and less americans are believing bush and his fear-ratcheting talk. And in addition this climate is freeing many people to start daring to imagine the 'impossible'.

In such a climate, all the aspects of the attacks that lead all sane citizens to question the authorities' version are beginning to be talked about.

In short, the topic is getting into the public consciousness.

Americans of course will be very interested to know why their government chose to ignore the reams of intelligence telling them that such an attack was upcoming.

They'll be interested to know why the commission was so corrupted in arriving at the 'official' story.

They'll be more than interested to discuss how virtually all the hijackers were from saudi arabia, yet bush chose to punish iraq instead.

And maybe they might be interested to hear how one of their passports flew out of a window on impact with the WTC, serenely floating down to the chaos below, just waiting to be discovered by a government worker.

They might also ask why WTC7 fell down, yet no other building suffered the same fate.

They might want to know why the CIA agents in chicago area were consistently blocked from their work in informing the american government authorities about upcoming attacks.

Why all the video footage/evidence of the plane going into the pentagon has never been released.

Why the bereaved family members say what they do.

Why just about everything failed to do its job required of it in an emergency.

Why the president was not immediately whisked off after the first collision.

Why they long ago gave up looking for OBL.

And so it goes on.

Maybe others can add to my list.

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So, absolutely nothing new. No new questions, and as this is a "non-discussion" thread, no hope of getting answers. What a waste of bandwidth.

*awaits sanctimonious telling off from fela fan*
 
fela fan said:
And maybe they might be interested to hear how one of their passports flew out of a window on impact with the WTC, serenely floating down to the chaos below, just waiting to be discovered by a government worker.

They might also ask why WTC7 fell down, yet no other building suffered the same fate.
So it really is the same shit all over again.

:D

The collapse of WTC7 has been and analysed and explained in full by highly qualified structural engineers who do not agree that it was brought down by invisible explosives..

It seems you're unable to accept their expert testimony and prefer to believe the daft nonsense posted up woefully unqualified nutters, so there's clearly no point in debating the topic further.

Thread closed.
 
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